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Guide to Success from nothing Captain Derp 12/10/13(Sat)05:41 No. 387 ID: 353cb7 Stickied

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I started with a criminal record for petty narcotics pos and a 'computer tresspassing' record guaranteeing me unemployment almost everywhere except manual labor. I was also living in a SRO in the worst area you can ever imagine, had no money, huge debt and couldn't even finish university so washed out in the second year due to poverty.


Any job will do. Some shitty manual labor position is great because then you also get some activity in so you aren't a fat bastard.

Easy jobs to get are landscaping (usually pays under the table cash), construction clean up, warehouse, or whatever you can find on your local Craigslist 'gigs' section. Alternatively there's the dreaded nightshift tech support. Look around for these on CL, or move to somewhere in your country where the jobs are. In Canada this means terribad mining and oilfiend work but it pays like $40/hr and there's nothing else to do up there, perfect for studying.

For me, I got a job at the post office and delivered mail, which meant I got off early and had lot's of time for school. Also consider institutions that will pay you to learn a trade, such as telephone companies and whatever else.


Basic income budget rule is 70/20/10

70% of your money goes to rent, food, clothing, your essentials.
20% goes to short term savings, like buying a multi core box with 32G+ ram for compiling programs (we'll get to this later)
10% goes to long term savings, like hookers in Thailand, emergency savings if you're ever laid off, I dunno.

To accomplish this I simply log into online banking after I'm paid and just move 30% of the money out of my account to savings like clockwork to prevent me blowing it on bullshit and impulse garbage.


Use this card for everything like groceries, gas whatever. Always, ALWAYS pay off the entire amount at the end of the month. This builds your credit to god like levels. You will need this later when you launch your own startup and need funding.


http://www.khanacademy.org/ - retake Grade 11/12 math and make sure you're solid in algorithms and precalculus. They're only a few minute long lectures that's all you need. Physics are also online.

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/#electrical-engineering-and-computer-science Take some of these courses, follow a plan like the one's laid out for regular students: http://www.eecs.mit.edu/academics-admissions/undergraduate-programs

I took 6-3 and a few 6-2 courses, the one's I could do without needing physical access to a lab. You considerably shorten the time it takes to finish these courses from a regular student. I would get off work @ 2pm, make some food and stream a lecture while eating it. Afterwards I'd do the assigned work. Then I'd fuck around with whatever, and do another lecture. Then go hang out with my girl. I did this everyday M-Friday while working. Weekends I took off.

Regular university they split up classes 2x a week or 3x a week, you're doing it 2x a day and will blast through it in less than a few weeks, forget entire semesters. IF YOU DO THE WORK/LABS ASSIGNED, YOU WON'T FORGET THE MATERIAL.

Keep doing this and progress through the courses until you have basically given yourself an undergraduate degree in Eng/CompSci.


Now you have the knowledge, prove it to people. Start a security blog/status.net and write about whatever 0-day hacks you found in the Android source code. Write about game theory, contribute to the Tor project, or just contract yourself out to build websites for clients.

In my case I would modify AOSP for security, build it with SEandroid and sold my own devices. This is where your multi core 32G+ Ram box comes in handy because building AOSP takes forever otherwise. I created ultra secure handsets and sold them on craigslist probably to drug dealers, but nevertheless no longer needed to do my old job anymore.


The problem with coding F/T for a startup is that they will overwork you to death to push out their release and often never pay any overtime or extra benefits. You also have to do fucking queer team bulding corporate society faggot tree. Possibly, MAYBE if the company is bought out you may see some share profits but unlikely. More likely they will buy the company, screw you and move the coding to India or Ireland or somewhere else leaving you unemployed. You'll also have to contribute serious time to some other guy's project so he can make millions. If you're going to work that much, be your own boss.

If you want to startup your own company this is where your platinum credit rating comes in handy. Nobody will turn you down for funding. Startup any bullshit cloud application or anything to do with the medical/heath industry such as adapting CryptDB to a product that can be used for medical offices or other sensitive data. Build it up and shop it for a takeover, you will sell your company quickly.


Now you have money from your sold startup, saved money from all your work either bulding sites or whatever you decided to do, and a platinum credit rating. You're ready to bankroll your own startup something you can truly 100% own and build from scratch however you want. Maybe you want to bankroll an open source project and don't care about the money because you already have enough from selling your last company. Maybe you want to design and build your own handsets and the operating system that they come with (because the AOSP kernel is fucking ridiculously huge and full of bugs)


- But I must have a piece of paper from a recognized University!
No coding or startup looking for partners gives a fuck about paper, they care about proof like portfolios and demonstrations. Moxie Marlinspike has zero post secondary and sold his mobile security project to Twitter for a shitload of money, and now even works for them on a contract basis. No paper.

- I want to be a doctor can I do it online for free?
Fuck no obviously. But you can take most of the required courses online for free then go apply directly into second year, once again showing them proof you know what you're doing through demonstration/auditing courses.

- Can I get some sort of certs for all this?
If you must, stanford university offers certs for their online courses. Can always pay for all those bullshit online security certs as well.

The business I started for myself (after I sold the other one) is awesome and I hardly have to work since most of it is automated. I don't do any 'team building events', I don't have to worry about release dealines and dealing with slipshod coworker code, I don't have to answer to anybody (even my customers I don't have to answer to, my software is sold as-is and there's never been any problems, esp no security problems from all the proper coding I learned from 6-3 courses) and the way I've set it up I don't even have to offer customer support since I built it correctly the first time so any idiot can use it.

No reason you can't do this too. Do you have 2 years to spare? Good 2go.

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SUCK CSS Ilken 15/11/11(Wed)14:05 No. 2771 ID: 651c8a

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Dumpster Diving and Computer Programming 101

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Modern Mom 15/12/13(Sun)14:43 No. 2779 ID: 00b379

it's been 2 years.. has anyone made something of themselves?

Modern Mom 15/12/29(Tue)15:21 No. 2791 ID: 418d7a

Nah, because ever since this board began and I saw this post I realized I'm truly just lazy. I'd rather just browse the net aimlessly then work.
I understand that its just me being stubborn but I don't really care enough to do anything about it.

Modern Mom 16/01/01(Fri)18:08 No. 2792 ID: 00b379

maybe you could use a dose of psychotherapy...

Modern Mom 16/01/07(Thu)01:47 No. 2795 ID: 3113c6

Where are all the oil jobs?

Modern Mom 16/01/11(Mon)04:33 No. 2800 ID: 669830

Oil tanked dude. A year ago. Shit's gonna be dead for awhile.

That's the world we live in though, jump in whatever can make you money and when the pond dries up just move on ASAP instead of lamenting.

Modern Mom 16/01/12(Tue)13:28 No. 2801 ID: 1fce9b

Should I sell my vidya/movie/book/toy collection for a jump start?

Modern Mom 16/05/17(Tue)16:54 No. 2833 ID: 97f349


Modern Mom 16/05/23(Mon)05:21 No. 2835 ID: ef9af7

Guys dont worry about it. Most programmers are either indians or wannabes. They suck either way.

Modern Mom 16/09/19(Mon)06:17 No. 2877 ID: 41a8e9

on Coursera.org, do you have to enroll in the courses? Or are the materials available to everyone so you can just start when you want and go at your own pace?

Modern Mom 16/09/23(Fri)07:24 No. 2881 ID: 9de038

ahaha classic.

is there a program that does this or do you just enjoy using photoshop?

Modern Mom 16/09/23(Fri)08:30 No. 2882 ID: 01ec1c

Depends on the course. Some are open all year long, others are programmed to take place during specific periods of the year.

Modern Mom 16/09/29(Thu)07:53 No. 2885 ID: 461262


Modern Mom 16/10/06(Thu)05:52 No. 2887 ID: fea1f2

Programming is over rated. People form India will under cut your ass.

Also it depends on what type of programming you are going for.

Also Also doing front end web design (just html and css) doesn't pay that well.

Hell, if you just get your A+ cert that can open tech jobs such as working as a computer or network tech for a factory, warehouse, etc (depending on where you live)

Fuck I have a friend that makes $17 an hour working for Apple at home doing tech support and they provide you with all the stuff you need and help if your internet bill + discounts + benefits.

Modern Mom 16/10/23(Sun)22:57 No. 2894 ID: d92532

I don't want to do fucking computer science shit. I don't want to do fucking programming. There's got to be another way. I'm tired of the fucking "programmers make big bux d00d!" meme.

Modern Mom 16/11/03(Thu)21:17 No. 2899 ID: 0b0a9f

There's no way in hell I'm ever working with anything related to programming either.
What the hell else could I do, though?
I have a simple job now but it gives me no valuable experience and I have no chance of getting something else. I'd barely get by if I didn't still live with my mom.

Modern Mom 16/11/17(Thu)02:52 No. 2909 ID: 234f5f

failed at step 2.
Spent all money on hookers.

Modern Mom 16/12/07(Wed)21:27 No. 2922 ID: 4607f3

start again

Modern Mom 16/12/14(Wed)02:39 No. 2927 ID: 7769ef

Best thread OP
This instant I want to change my dull life
Other than programming, I'd like to be in agriculture because without food, everyone will be starving.

I'd like to move somewhere else but the money will never be enough because of the weak currency. Is there any cheat sheet to become an immigrant that will work and get a job somewhere in first world?
>my country is no war zone, it just corrupted, even it's democracy but it doesn't look like one because cronies
>jobs are filled with other cheaper immigrant labors that locals can't even compete because these immigrants requires lowest wage with high skills

my savings is 500 in my currency and about 113 USD. (it used to be 3 to 1 USD in 2014). No NEET programs here unlike in first world.

Good wage other than programming?
How to move out the country with no money?

Modern Mom 17/01/08(Sun)20:58 No. 2941 ID: bde3dd

I don't know who you are op, but im going to give it a try. I saved the text from this thread like 4 years ago and got lazy from having a decent job and gave up on programming, but im about to kill it and wanted to say thanks

Modern Mom 17/01/17(Tue)15:27 No. 2943 ID: ef0273

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Me and you anon, we're both going to do this. I came across this chan/thread about 2 years ago by chance and it's time to get off my lazy ass and actually DO IT. I started relearning algebra 2 yesterday, once I have it I'm going to learn pre calculus (I did shit at it in high school) and learn to program concurrently. I will report on my progress in 2 years and let you all know what I've accomplished. Thank you OP, to quote /fit/ WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT!

sadf saf 17/01/21(Sat)01:34 No. 2944 ID: bef63c

Glad to see the button work

Modern Mom 17/02/04(Sat)12:37 No. 2947 ID: 571488

thanks for sharing this op

shame i'm a fucking idiot though

Modern Mom 17/03/01(Wed)21:45 No. 2967 ID: ea6a59

This thread makes me wonder whether or not I should just drop out of life and become a hobo

Modern Mom 17/03/03(Fri)23:54 No. 2970 ID: 2140d8

In a job interview for an entry level job like fast food how do I explain a long 8-10 year gap without working? I never got a job because I had horrible anxiety with minor autism and I couldn't deal with the pressure of job interviews. I know this isn't a good excuse but that's the truth. Do I tell them the truth?

Modern Mom 17/03/22(Wed)05:33 No. 2983 ID: 82a2e5

sounds like you qualify for autismbux/anxietybux buckaroo

Modern Mom 17/04/27(Thu)06:39 No. 2998 ID: dfdf80

OP what is your IQ? I tried some of these books and I'm scared I'm not grasping them as fast as would prove practical. You motivate me a lot with your post, thanks.

Modern Mom 17/05/13(Sat)00:26 No. 3021 ID: 1c9f97

i like this thread

Modern Mom 17/07/04(Tue)09:39 No. 3041 ID: e4210a

AS from Sweden here! My career is nothing to be proud of. But Arbetsförmedlingen (the gubmint's employment agency) did good in my case. They partly funded my two most recent jobs and they do look good in the resumé.

And the best thing is that the jobs "laundered" the money from the gubmint. They may be earmarked, but it doesn't show on the resumé.

And this is not to denigrate OP. But if you can get into a make-job program that will look good on your resumé, do it! Think of it as you're getting your tax money back. No disgrace at all.

BUT, there's another big but out there for you autists: Stay the fuck away from retards. I repeat, stay the fuck away from retards. Retard farms will be the undoing of you.

Because I have a buddy that was about to enter a make-job program. It was some menial tasks in a store and he was pretty much the only non-retard at the job. And "the special division" wore special vests wo that the customers could adjust their expectations accordingly.

I predicted that it would fail because he would have to spend time to prove that he was not a retard every time a customer asked him about something. I told him to stay away from it.

Some time later I was proven right. Exactly right. He, as no sane person should, couldn't take it.

His next make-job will be only with fellow autists and not have any customer contact at all. It might work. And I really hope that his resumé looks better or at least not-shittier.

From my personal experience it is best to be honest about your autism. But I guess that it depends on the work. If I applied at some menial job that's basically a foreign legion, then I could be pretty sure that I would not be the only one with issues. Therefore, it's nothing to talk about.

Just my 2 cents.

Modern Mom 17/07/23(Sun)02:17 No. 3050 ID: 555a1b

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Modern Mom 17/07/26(Wed)04:36 No. 3053 ID: 06b7e3

hey this is the real Wizard Guy!

Modern Mom 17/08/01(Tue)17:41 No. 3054 ID: 602cb1

The recommended budget is so shit. My budget is 70% savings (Vanguard all the way), 25% living expenses, 5% for wasting on shit I don't need. Get serious about your finances or don't even bother working TBH.

Modern Mom 17/08/08(Tue)21:55 No. 3061 ID: e4210a

Er, do you live at your parents in the country with your own garden and livestock for meat? Or do you earn crazy much money?

Modern Mom 17/08/11(Fri)02:06 No. 3063 ID: 329396


what this guy said

Modern Mom 17/08/15(Tue)06:51 No. 3065 ID: 00124c

Who are you quoting?

Modern Mom 17/08/16(Wed)23:33 No. 3066 ID: 5349f2

this guy knows whats up he has magic brown fingers

Modern Mom 17/08/22(Tue)19:32 No. 3069 ID: 602cb1

Roommates and the cheapest groceries money can buy.

sage Modern Mom 17/08/24(Thu)05:38 No. 3070 ID: 4617cc

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Good Sh*t ya cracka

Modern Mom 17/09/25(Mon)21:17 No. 3086 ID: fae231

Ok, but don't cheap okt on your Heath, dude.

Modern Mom 17/11/16(Thu)12:34 No. 3107 ID: f32d15

Learn to cook simple shit, buy ingredients cheap instead of ready-made stuff.
Anyway, for anybody who doesn't want to be a programmer but knows English, pick a country, learn that country's language, move there and do translations. In many places you could also teach English on the side, but that makes a pretty shitty sole career (source: I'm doing it, lucked out with a great school, but it doesn't pay enough), so have translation as a backup. Git gud at it and move upwards in your company / move to another company. Learn a third language, too.
Don't fucking learn Chinese, though. Look up the steel salesman story.

Modern Mom 18/01/09(Tue)18:18 No. 3125 ID: 1b4447

>70% of your money goes to rent, food, clothing, your essentials.
lol, if that was only possible.

Modern Mom 18/01/09(Tue)18:43 No. 3126 ID: 602cb1

One of the big issues with this budget is that it doesn't look at your income at all. If I make 100k a year, I should not be spending close to 70k a year on essentials.

Modern Mom 18/02/03(Sat)21:17 No. 3134 ID: fcca06

this looks a lot like guide for someone who actually wants something out of life other than drugs of anhero

Modern Mom 18/04/13(Fri)01:30 No. 3164 ID: d28da9


Modern Mom 18/07/17(Tue)04:18 No. 3218 ID: 21387b

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Thanks OP, this is a thread that keeps on giving. You and the mods will be happy to know that I visit this thread periodically and it really is doing good in my life and others. Thank you again!
If you have any updates, I would love to hear it.

Modern Mom 18/10/21(Sun)00:53 No. 3232 ID: cb45b3

Does this still work in 2018?

Modern Mom 18/10/21(Sun)02:38 No. 3233 ID: d12109

More or less. Doing exactly what OP did? Maybe. Using it as a guide to get you mad dosh? Fuck yeah. I ended up going to step 4, 5 & 6 by joining a trade using the job I got from step 1 to get my foot in the door. Now they're paying my ass to get me a degree and I get a sweet cushy job.

Modern Mom 18/10/21(Sun)09:29 No. 3234 ID: cb45b3

Neat, I was kind of worried with how fast everything changes with tech stuff.

Modern Mom 19/01/14(Mon)03:08 No. 3257 ID: bc9742

man OP I started this in 2017, and while it's not gone exactly as planned in the post, pieces of it have come together. I will report in ever so often to update on my progress but holy shit you inspired me to make something of myself which I am doing....to all the lurkers out here, this shit actually works.


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