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Anonymous 16/08/31(Wed)03:45 No. 12662 ID: 1cc955 [Reply]
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About free will.

Are you reading this text voluntarily? My personal guess is, that many will instinctively answer with yes. In German the adjective „voluntarily“ is translated to „freiwillig“, which means „with free will“ or more literal „free willy“.
Bad jokes aside, the definition of doing something voluntarily, is taking action according to your own free will.
Now why I am focusing on this is, because I want to explore what it actually means to do something voluntarily, along the axis of determinism and free will.

Let’s assume you answered yes to the question of reading this text voluntarily.
And let’s assume our brains do function deterministically.
That would mean, you just had an illusion about having a free will.
The illusion, that you did have a choice, not to read this text this far. Some unknown law, which we try to approximate in the natural sciences, is entirely responsible for what you just did, including the feeling of doing it voluntarily.
It also means, that if you were able to go back in time, every time you did do so, the world and the universe would develop exactly the way they have always been destined to. Including you, reading this text, over and over again. Like a clockwork turning back and forth.
Consciously experiencing a movie that doesn’t feel like a movie but real.
Being aware of this fact also means, that one of the characteristics of this deterministic system is, that it can understand itself.
Let’s have a look at it understanding itself.
If the voluntary guy exists in this deterministic system, his thoughts are part of this system and his conscious experience of having acted voluntarily describes the system in the same way, as an experience of not having done so, would.
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Anonymous 17/10/31(Tue)23:30 No. 13254 ID: a24704

>>12911
ffs


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U have free will. But u r not free. U r in voluntary servitude. DotAddictsAnonimus 17/12/27(Wed)16:09 No. 13402 ID: aeb2d6
13402

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Do u go to work bcuz u want to or bcuz if u dont then ppl with guns will come and violently force u from ur home?

U R NOT FREE

Your lifespan is someones currency. So lets say OK this guy is probably going to generate 1 million dollars in his lifetime. They create a stock certificate for him, using his Name when he is born. This is a negotiable instrument. So someone buys that.

Now its not his fault he has no idea. He thinks he is free but he cannot choose to not go to work one day or he will be on the street.

It doesnt matter if someone claims to own you. You have a soul with free will, but no control over what happens to you. So its not on you, it is their great injustice!

But you do have free will, youre not free tho :3


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Anonymous 17/12/27(Wed)23:58 No. 13403 ID: 16ecde

>>13402

> violently force u from ur home?

No, where I live it is very hard at times for a landlord to force people out of their rented places, even if they haven't paid for months and months. So no, no one will show up with guns and force you from your home.

You can choose to not work, there are plenty of folks who couch surf, and travel across the country, and do other things. Might not be the life everyone enjoys, but it is an option if you so choose.

> He thinks he is free but he cannot choose to not go to work one day or he will be on the street.

There are folks who are making sixty thousand dollars a year living on the street. Because other people are suckers and fall for their game and drop money into a cup. Sounds pretty harsh. More than I make.

> but no control over what happens to you.

Sure you do, but most people refuse to stand up for themselves. They choose to let the system abuse them.
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Anonymous 17/02/17(Fri)01:00 No. 12819 ID: f7426b [Reply]
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Why does Ayn Rand get so much criticism? I've only read The Fountainhead from her but from what I gather objectivism seems like it makes sense. It's kind of like this rational self interest that's similar to Nietzsche's philosiphy


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Anonymous 17/12/17(Sun)21:20 No. 13385 ID: 53a252

>>13384
History: How Does It Work?


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Anonymous 17/12/18(Mon)07:29 No. 13388 ID: 76670c
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>>13385
Don't ask anyone born in the 21st century.


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Anonymous 17/12/22(Fri)08:30 No. 13394 ID: 55722c

>>13388
What if I ask futurepeople.. 5-sided poly*




Anonymous 16/03/09(Wed)08:23 No. 12458 ID: 3ee603 [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
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Did Darwin answer the question of what the meaning of life is?


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Anonymous 17/12/20(Wed)14:42 No. 13392 ID: 989dfa

>>13379
Must be hard to believe in evolution when there are so many flaws.


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Anonymous 17/12/24(Sun)09:59 No. 13395 ID: d60c6c

>>13392

I doubt there are any actual believers. Evolution is so childish and dumbed down as a concept.


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Anonymous 18/01/05(Fri)11:11 No. 13408 ID: c0f735

>>13395
evolution doesn't make sense when you look at how many errors it has




Anonymous 17/02/05(Sun)05:14 No. 12812 ID: 78bebb [Reply]
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Have you taken the UG Pill?


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Anonymous 17/11/01(Wed)01:30 No. 13256 ID: a24704

Explain




Anonymous 17/10/09(Mon)23:20 No. 13221 ID: b742f0 [Reply]
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From a secular standpoint, can a humans be considered gods of the animals beneath them?

Pic unrelated.


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Anonymous 17/10/31(Tue)06:06 No. 13251 ID: f7d505

>>13250
My TED talks drew attendance that made my opponent's godkindling event look positively SAD.


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Anonymous 17/10/31(Tue)14:37 No. 13252 ID: e38094

>>13251
>godkindling event
Sounds sad enough; are you sure it needed your help?




Anonymous 17/04/01(Sat)20:24 No. 12871 ID: fe9887 [Reply]
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General life axioms you've noticed. State the axiom, and then the reason. If no reason is known, write "Reason: N/A". Feel free to argue at will, but only if you think you are 100% certain.

The format should go as follows (Axiom: , Reason: , As a result: ):

Axiom: Two people who have adapted to society's values cannot be equally in love with each other.

Reason: Falling in love renders the person who has fallen in love vulnerable. This vulnerability contradicts the social character/facade they have created for themselves and the very reason the Loved liked the faller in the first place. If both fall in love at the same time, they both notice one another's vulnerability and cancel each other out, rendering the connection emotionless.

As a result: Only one of two possible connections can happen.
1) One of the two socially-based members takes the role of being emotionally stable and stoic, loving the other person or not, and the other takes the role of falling in love. This is what was traditionally intended with man being the former, and woman the latter.
2) Both members have adapted to the non-social life where the true self without a facade blocking it flourishes. The intelligent mind sees and understands that all human beings, including themselves, are vulnerable and endears this thought commonly among others.


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Anonymous 17/10/02(Mon)14:36 No. 13204 ID: b2041f

>>13121
Where did you get that axiom from? Self-made quote or apocryphical idiom? I'd like to use it and reference it. If self-made; fill in this form:
[NAME] [ADDRESS] [TEL] [GENDER]


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Anonymous 17/10/06(Fri)08:20 No. 13214 ID: fe9887

>>13199
By assumption I mean an assumption of someone's philosophical motive in doing something. A perfect example of this is on an anonymous board or anywhere online where not a lot about the person is known. If someone anonymous, online or IRL stranger, expresses a statement or thought, we as readers or listeners immediately assume the underlying motives of this person that incentivized them to carry out their actions or expression of thoughts.

I should have made clear in the axiom that this is intended for direct assumptions of people, rather than the character framework you developmentally build after getting to know someone, but thought it was pointless given that most of not all of us really don't go out to socialize. Notice the assumption of the reason you're here that I made and how it reflects myself.

>>13204
I came up with it myself. I'm not sure why you need personal information...


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Anonymous 17/11/07(Tue)07:20 No. 13267 ID: d75d96

>>13214
Wikipedia and for-profit universities have raised a generation that cannot process any statement that doesn't come from an established source.

He expects you to cite your references; you are not famous enough to have an idea of your own.




Blood and Spirit 17/10/04(Wed)20:37 No. 13208 ID: 8c87d4 [Reply]

Link to audio reading of this article
Our identity based in blood n soil has proven fruitless. We see now that blood n soil was easily defeated by magic dirt. Why? Because it lacked the understanding of what a people truly are. A Nation is blood and spirit. The land is just a space a nation occupies.

If you take a family from their home and put them in a new home do they stop being a family? No! Because the children know that their origin is not that piece of land they grew up on. They know their origin is being born of their parents. Today, we have been told our nation is blood n soil, because of lack of knowing our origin. This gives us false nations built on ideals that are not able to be demonstrated in nature. Because of this we are heading towards extinction.

When you look at the Jewish people you see that they are not blood n soil. It is by blood and spirit Jews are able to keep their identity throughout the world. At the same time if you look at Europeans who have adopted blood n soil you see that they turn against their own people because they live in a different country. As soon as Europeans came to America they no longer saw their ancestors across the seas as brothers and sisters. But the Jews see all other Jews as brothers and sisters. With exception of the Ethiopian Jews. Why, because the Ethiopian Jews do not share their blood or enough of it. This also shows that spirituality by itself is not enough to unite a people.

For our people to survive we must unite under blood and spirit. Once this is done our people will have a homeland again. If we do not unite under one spirituality then our people will go extinct. A homeland is not our origin. A homeland is a tool to keep our people safe. Soon all of the lands that Aryans reside in will no longer be safe. Effectively leaving us homeless as a people. If you believe a nation is blood n soil, do you have a nation if the soils occupied by foreign blood?

Our people’s origin is not distant lands or the plot of land we grew up on. It is the founding of our gene pool. Jews know their origin lies with Abraham. That is the source of their strength. We need to teach our children their origin. The oldest writing of our people dates back to 2193 BCE. It tells us our origin.

“Freya’s children came to know their origin.” “Wise Freya! When She raised Her children to the seventh generation She called them to Flyland and gave them Her counsel, saying, “Let this be your law and it will never fail you.”” Aryan Scriptures 1:5,36

Those who are Aryan learn your true origin and spirituality. By accepting the teachings and laws of Freya you “secure the existence of your people.” This is blood and spirit. This will lead to a homeland for our people. Which will make “a future for White children.”




rant Anonymous 17/08/07(Mon)14:32 No. 13061 ID: 1460ee [Reply]
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i wonder how all us millennials turn out
our attitude towards the struggle in transitioning from child to adult can either be anger directed towards the economic system or towards those who raised us unprepared (liberal parenting, university system)
it’s definitely a combination of both, but i think the latter deserves more scrutiny. It’s easier to fix and coming to terms with it will make you happier than understanding economic injustices. I can’t conceive of a world in which communism succeeds, marx created or re-appropriated the term exploitation and makes value judgments about the economy that make sense only through a certain lens. I don’t think this viewpoint will ever gain majority support, it’s an anti humanistic theory in the way it assumes victim hood for poor people, they are “exploited” beyond control. The theory reduces people to non-autonomous beings when in reality there can be many reasons people do not succeed economically. In a communistic society would you even be responsible for your own feelings and emotions? A murderer must surely be held morally accountable, which already seems to contradict the idea that poverty is an injustice. In both systems people MUST be held morally accountable therefore its all a matter of preference. Which moral lens do you choose to view from? It would help greatly if the communists clearly set their moral standards, in doing so they would admit to the fact that humans have autonomy and moral obligation. Capitalism clearly sets its own standards and has its own moral code embedded in the way the economy functions, in rewarding certain members of society more than others. Communism has no replacement, and coupled with social liberalism has nothing to say about the value of individual behavior whatsoever. In order to move forward the left must rework or forget marx, the rise of the alt right and Trump’s presidency have made this clear.


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Anonymous 17/08/10(Thu)23:16 No. 13067 ID: 4b4e54

>>13061
A liberal is not necessarily a bad parent. A conservative or a socialist is not necessarily a good parent. Take your ideology elsewhere. Also, all of this pseudo-intellectual discussion of the 'generations' is completely exhausting.


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Anonymous 17/09/02(Sat)05:30 No. 13092 ID: d5439c

>>13061
Anyway, you're about Communism. Communism imperfect and impractical. People are probably assigning too much blame to the economic system for their unhappiness.

That being said, plenty of people (the vast majority of people, if you look at the ultra-elite and their tactics) are at a major economic disadvantage, and socialist efforts to fix this are not misguided.

Also, the rise of the Alt-Right has been a reactionary disaster filled with more assclowns than was originally thought possible. Their beliefs are pretty inconsistent between members, too, and very illogical.


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Anonymous 17/10/03(Tue)19:23 No. 13206 ID: 418d7a

>>13092
That's more of a policy and practicality question than a philosophical one. I think that philosophy has a place in politics, but it's not administration of the system. We have too much development going on with the economic system in the first place just to keep up with that, and the economic system right now is already stressed to the limits providing for people who don't/can't contribute.
If you look at the IMF and how the federal reserve work, read some books on quantitative easing, I think you might come to a similar conclusion I have. It's a unicorn fart economy. The question the best and brightest I've read are asking is just how to structure this correctly, and the blockchain is pretty much what governments are going to be forced to adopt, like Singapore did.
>>13061
>reforge marx
They've been doing that since his book came out. The problem in my mind is that people are attached to political philosophies and are disconnected from political realities. The political reality right now in america is actually the most successful welfare state in human history. If that isn't communism, socialism, whatever, than what is? Do you want everyone to put on grey uniforms and live in commie blocks?
America is a wonderful place and it's made all of this possible through nigh infinite sacrifice, that will continue into the future as well. The American left is acting like they are playing catch-up with the social policies of europe, while the American right has thrown in their flag with the democrats. I've observed this from listening to hours and hours of NPR and Red Eye Radio(conservative-libertarian). Single payer was locked in since obama passed obamacare. The reason why is that the American people want free money, they don't care or understand the future cost of that free money because they want to be even more comfortable.
As for you millennials, most people don't mature mentally much as they grow up. It's up to you decide where you'll end up.




Classical vs contemporary cynicism Anonymous 17/07/24(Mon)23:36 No. 13029 ID: c6a2e5 [Reply]
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Were the classical cynics more positive people than contemporary cynics? People use the contemporary word with such disdain. The classical cynics are depicted as people who were humorous and witty hobos. Contemporary cynicism is associated with general distrust of society, while simultaneously, an increased callousness and ability to manipulate society.

Sorry for the English. What do you guys think about this?


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Anonymous 17/08/24(Thu)17:00 No. 13080 ID: 9fd7e5

Here's the next line of thought: what do you take from the different flavors of cynicism to apply to your modern day life?

While all of modern society has at least some version of modern cynicism present in most levels, there's a lot about chan culture specifically that echoes the classical cynics' gleeful mockery of and contempt for the arbitrary mores enforced by normalfag society.


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Anonymous 17/09/02(Sat)05:20 No. 13090 ID: d5439c

>>13080
Modern society has these hooks.

There's an endless supply of products (medicine, contemporary music, technology) that grab you by your interest and thrust you into the machine. Then, once your mind has been shaped by the machine, the most common kind of escape is a mental breakdown (maybe via psychosis or hallucinogens). Even then, there's never a total escape.

Lots of hobos would just have their laptops stolen and therefore wouldn't be channers. Diogenes would have to register with some kind of State funded service in order to eat.


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Anonymous 17/09/02(Sat)05:23 No. 13091 ID: d5439c
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>>13080
>>13090
maybe modern cynics are spiteful towards society, because they have been trapped and shaped into being a certain way that doesn't align with their values




Epistemology / Mathematics Anonymous 17/08/24(Thu)05:33 No. 13079 ID: 4617cc [Reply]
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What are your views on pathway independence? Does such a thing exist and what does that mean to you?

A) On the face of it pathway independence may not exist. I end up at different times at the same place by picking a different route such as the "scenic one." Please lets have a nice discussion about this.

When is pathway independence applicable??

B) ETHICS driven arguments qua "The ends justify the pathway (means)" are welcome

C) 4 + 1 = 5 = 2 + 3 | 4 + 1 ==/= 2 + 3


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OP 17/08/25(Fri)15:32 No. 13081 ID: 315d96

What are you??? All Zombie-lurking basement-dwellers??? Answer my epistemological crisis bitte!


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Anonymous 18/05/25(Fri)07:16 No. 13542 ID: f7392d

> What is pathway independance ?
I don't know, you didn't explain it to me
> Does it exists ?
Probably, everything exists except what doesn't
>What does it mean to me
Nothing

I'm trying to act dumb, but you could at meast have explained what you're talking about




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