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Rights Anonymous 17/03/22(Wed)10:09 No. 12857 ID: bfae6f
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a. Are rights natural? Or b. products of society/government?

a1. If rights are natural, do they only apply to humans?

a1a. Why do they only apply to humans?

a2. How can rights be natural if life isn't a necessary condition for the universe to exist (meaning if all life were to cease to exist, the universe would still be here)?


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Anonymous 17/03/22(Wed)20:53 No. 12861 ID: 9c7863

>>12857
Hobbes was often right for the wrong reasons.

>Are rights natural?
No--it's empirically clear that rights of humans and any other animal are a social construct, and any attribution of rights from a higher power or moral/philosophical dogma are myths that humans have constructed.

What is natural, anyway? Hobbes didn't know shit about the natural world--he thought everything that wasn't Europe in his time was a barbaric and primitive butthole because they didn't worship his god, even though there were many times and places in the world in history, like the Persian empire and several Chinese dynasties that were arguably more liberal and better to live in than Enlightenment Europe.

This doesn't mean that the myth of natural rights isn't an important one to have--it's what keeps us from getting our shit kicked (at least too much) by richer or more powerful people and forces. Natural rights keep children from working in factories or being child-soldiers, and natural rights let us eat/drink/fuck/smoke whatever we want as long as nobody else gets hurt. Whether rights are a product of society or god is not terribly important compared to the providential usefulness of having rights so we can discuss these things.

Tl;dr: Rights are human constructed myths, like god, money, chastity, capitalism, communism, and familial bonds. But like all of those other myths, a great importance has to be placed upon it because we have a vested interest in perpetuating at least dimensions of many myths to prosper as people.


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Anonymous 17/04/04(Tue)01:27 No. 12881 ID: 946ad3

I might be wrong, but your phrasing could play on an ambiguity in the concept of right, and confuse a concept of naturalism with naturalistic absolutism.


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Anonymous 18/04/17(Tue)14:43 No. 13499 ID: 4e144d

>>12857
What does "natural" mean for you in this case ?


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Anonymous 18/04/29(Sun)09:25 No. 13507 ID: 86b897

>>12861

>familial bonds

Wrong. Read the literature on family bonds


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Anonymous 18/05/01(Tue)00:06 No. 13511 ID: 1bbee6

I'm a Calvinist so, no we don't have any rights unless you are one of the chosen people, which you probably aren't.



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