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Darwin and his mental retardation Anonymous 18/02/22(Thu)09:43 No. 13431 ID: 44a1c4
13431

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK20255/
>A conclusion that two (or more) genes or proteins are homologous is a conjecture, not an experimental fact. We would be able to know for a fact that genes are homologous only if we could directly explore their common ancestor and all intermediate forms. Since there is no fossil record of these extinct forms, a decision on homology between genes has to be made on the basis of the similarity between them, the only observable variable that can be expressed numerically and correlated with probability.

https://www.wits.ac.za/news/latest-news/general-news/2014/2014-08/taung-childs-skull-not-human-like.html
>Taung Child's skull not human-like

How can anyone seriously believe in "evolution" when it all is based on a incomplete fossil record, that proves nothing, and comparative genetics that's just conjectures.

Fedora tippers are grasping at straws.


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Anonymous 18/12/17(Mon)06:31 No. 13819 ID: 8fafd8

>>13816
There are some fruit fly populations that are described as separate species and that do not (or cannot) interbreed, but which are genetically identical. It's a rather interesting anomaly that fedoras can't explain.


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Anonymous 18/12/17(Mon)09:05 No. 13820 ID: b44204

>>13801
I know, right. It's hardly believable that from being almost flawless, having a error rate that is less than one mistake per billion nucleotides, bacteria develops into higher organisms that have shittier DNA replication. What kind of evolution is that?


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Anonymous 18/12/19(Wed)08:17 No. 13822 ID: 0ee36c

>>13804
Even when bacteria prove them wrong they still insist that evolution is factual. Denial is quite powerful.


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Anonymous 18/12/20(Thu)13:29 No. 13823 ID: ec9b1c

>>13814
If you look at it mathematically, evolution becomes improbable.


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Anonymous 18/12/21(Fri)00:37 No. 13825 ID: 8aa165
13825

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>>13823
>>13822
>>13820
>>13819


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Anonymous 18/12/22(Sat)15:02 No. 13827 ID: f100db
13827

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>>13818
>>13825
He won't reply to anyone but himself because he knows his arguments are based on misinterpretations.


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Anonymous 18/12/23(Sun)20:25 No. 13830 ID: 725b8e

>>13820
There are even discrepancies in some nuclear genes in mammalian cells and for mitochondrial genes in plant cells. You can't physically prove that all organisms come from the same hypothetical ancestor in some ancient forgotten age billions of years ago.


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Anonymous 18/12/27(Thu)15:00 No. 13835 ID: afd6b2

>>13823
I know but when you say it to a fedora tipper the usual response is that you have to accept it at face value. It must have happened even if it is close to zero percent chance mathematically.


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Anonymous 18/12/28(Fri)07:56 No. 13836 ID: 8fafd8

>>13820
Sounds more like degeneration.


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Anonymous 18/12/28(Fri)13:07 No. 13837 ID: ead14b

>>13819
When you ask fedoras for convincing evidence all they can muster is to bring you a broken jigsaw puzzle with trillions of pieces missing.


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Anonymous 18/12/28(Fri)14:52 No. 13838 ID: 084b56
13838

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>>13811
This.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe9uK9QGCUI


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Anonymous 18/12/29(Sat)19:01 No. 13840 ID: 435e01

>>13838 >>13837 >>13836 >>13835
This isn't working.


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Anonymous 19/01/01(Tue)16:36 No. 13843 ID: 44a1c4

>>13758
Best post in this thread so far!


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Anonymous 19/01/01(Tue)16:42 No. 13844 ID: 822d20
13844

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>>13835
>>13836
>>13837
>>13838
>>13843


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Anonymous 19/01/02(Wed)13:27 No. 13846 ID: ea3836

>>13830
There are a lot of genetic differences between all kinds of organisms but if you can conflate some similarities, like fedoras do, then they all are related. OP points it out plain and simple.


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Anonymous 19/01/03(Thu)13:00 No. 13847 ID: ec9b1c

>>13813
>sensitive to change

Hemophilia is a good example of that. It's caused by a defective copy of a gene on the X chromosome and this tiny, marginal difference in one gene, of the 25,000 to 30,000 a person possess, is enough to create a lethal condition.


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Anonymous 19/01/03(Thu)16:45 No. 13848 ID: 1371da

>>13847
Isn't it the same thing with colour blindness?


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Anonymous 19/01/04(Fri)17:38 No. 13849 ID: d77aad

>>13844
I'd bet you a dollar this is Davespiracy's /phi/ persona. He is a person uniquely capable of talking to himself as various 'different' people. He may be experimenting with avoiding replying to other people to avoid having to defend his inane, inconsistent posts.

I wish him success in this venture. The only person he should ever talk to is himself. At least that way he'll never look like the village idiot.


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Anonymous 19/01/05(Sat)18:25 No. 13851 ID: b44204

>>13830
>You can't physically prove that all organisms come from the same hypothetical ancestor

True. They have no real arguments or experimental proof.

>>13836
It is degeneration. Since this thread has shifted to examining chromosomal defects I might as well mention diastrophic dysplasia. It comes from an error in chromosome 5 and what's even more fascinating is that several diseases can occur if chromosome 5 is damaged (susceptibility
to diphtheria, Laron dwarfism, low-tone deafness and limb–girdle muscular dystrophy). To believe that bacteria turned into humans that are way more fragile when it comes to genetic sicknesses is the highest form of ignorance.


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Anonymous 19/01/07(Mon)09:51 No. 13852 ID: 26c116

>>13804
Yeah, you're right. I think it's odd too.


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Anonymous 19/01/08(Tue)16:22 No. 13854 ID: 4df1db

>>13838
That video made me euphoric.


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Anonymous 19/01/11(Fri)07:56 No. 13855 ID: 8fafd8

>>13851
That's a lot of ailments.


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Anonymous 19/01/14(Mon)10:25 No. 13856 ID: 9f840f
13856

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ITT: one angry schizophrenic fedora being buttflustered that not everyone has become euphoric like him


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Anonymous 19/01/15(Tue)09:54 No. 13857 ID: 609ee2

>>13856
I'm pretty sure it's mostly one poorly programmed chatbot mindlessly drolling on against evolution; a couple of trolls trying desperately to equivocate belief in evolution to atheism; me chiming in every so often to remind everyone that evolution is a fact denied only by uneducated, mid-western, god-fearing rednecks; and perhaps one other poster who also sees what's going on, but is smart enough not to really bother doing anything about it.


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Anonymous 19/01/15(Tue)11:10 No. 13858 ID: 37c815

>>13811
>>13822
>>13852
So many fedoras have been tipped in this thread. I bet you guys that the euphoria has reached critical mass and you can power a small town with it.

>>13806
Take your medication and take a shower, schizo. Sitting at home, crying and farting, won't do you any good.

Best regards
The Illuminati


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Anonymous 19/01/15(Tue)16:00 No. 13859 ID: b2d2d8

>>13858
No matter how hard you spam your nonsense, it will never be true.


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Anonymous 19/01/16(Wed)08:00 No. 13860 ID: 32ca83
13860

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>>13858
>evolution is a fact

*tips intelligence hat*


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Anonymous 19/01/16(Wed)16:15 No. 13861 ID: b2d2d8

>>13860
Oh, I am so very insulted by your expert trolling.
You've surely equivocated acceptance of evolution with atheism.
What will I ever do?

How about sage.


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Anonymous 19/01/17(Thu)09:18 No. 13863 ID: 86440b

>>13851
>They have no real arguments or experimental proof.

Evolutionary studies are theoretical since they can't produce physical evidence.

Evolution is hard to believe in because it lacks proper explanation. If, for example, you look at venomous snakes and ask yourself how they got their neurotoxins you can't explain it through random mutations. Mutations, like another poster pointed out, are never beneficial and mostly causes defects so how do snakes suddenly develop glands filled with venom, hollow channels through their fangs that guides the poison all the way to the tip? It's too precise.

Another poster mentioned fruit flies and I think that's a valid point. Fruit flies, no matter how many generations pass, never become something else other than fruit flies. They don't develop a toxic coating on their exoskeleton to protect against predators. If you look at how effective poison is in defensive and offensive purposes in nature then all animals and insects should gradually develop poison glands but they don't.

Philosophically speaking evolution is not a scientific study, it's speculation. In mathematics 1+1 is always 2. But with evolution, 1+1, left alone for a period of time suddenly can become 4, 902, 57 000 or even -15. Obviously evolution doesn't have any fundamental rules that apply to all organisms because scientists can say that the diversity you see in this world is merely random.


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Anonymous 19/01/17(Thu)13:08 No. 13864 ID: ec9b1c

>>13863
Fedoras have severe cognitive dissonance. It's like:

>"hurr guys, DNA synthesis is extremely accurate and even has biological error screenings and the smallest change among the nucleotides will have dire consequences but it's all random durr".


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Anonymous 19/01/18(Fri)21:54 No. 13865 ID: b2d2d8

>>13864
>severe cognitive dissonance
You learned those words from the doctor who diagnosed you, yes?


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Anonymous 19/01/21(Mon)08:57 No. 13868 ID: af47e4

>>13864
Must be hard having such contradictory views.


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Anonymous 19/01/22(Tue)10:21 No. 13869 ID: 37c815

>>13863
Speaking of mutations...there are different mutations, by the way, like somstic and germ-line. Somatic mutation arises once in every million cell divisions, and so hundreds of millions of somatic mutations must arise in each person. Many somatic mutations have no obvious effect on the phenotype of the organism, because the function of the mutant cell, even the cell itself, is replaced by that of normal cells. However, cells with a somatic mutation that stimulates cell division can increase in number and spread. This type of mutation can give rise to cells with a selective advantage and is the basis for all cancers.

But germ-line mutation can be passed to future generations, producing individual organisms that carry the mutation in all their somatic and germ-line cells. When we speak of mutations in multi-cellular organisms we’re usually talking about germ-line mutations. In single-cell organisms there is no distinction between germ-line and somatic mutations, because cell division results in new individuals.

By default, bacteria should mutate more often, developing into new organisms by the millions but you still don't see bacteria evolving into other types of bacteria or even multi-cellular organisms for that matter.


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Anonymous 19/01/23(Wed)11:07 No. 13871 ID: 40cb3e
13871

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>>13869
I think microbial mats could be one basis of multicellular organisms. We know many kinds of bacteria and archaea can swap fragmnts of DNA, and these communities are very tightly knit. Just as cells absorbed mitochondria and integrated them forever after, perhaps some microbial communities decided to hook up permanently.

One thing we know for sure is that single celled organisms do evolve rapidly. How do you think we got superbugs?

If there's no such thing as evolution, then how does selective breeding work? We made all k8nds of dogs and cats by controlled mating and intervention in survival rates. How can you say te same mechanism doesn't work in nature: those who survive to breeding define their species, one way or another.

Why do I even bother... This robot isn't going to reply and some troll is going to think I'm an atheist, even though I think atheists are stupid too.


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Anonymous 19/01/24(Thu)11:29 No. 13872 ID: afd6b2

>>13869
>bacteria should mutate more often, developing into new organisms by the millions but you still don't see bacteria evolving into other types of bacteria or even multi-cellular organisms for that matter.

That kind of relates to my earlier post. Mathematically, the probability of single-cell organisms transforming into a duck or even a fish is practically nil.


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Anonymous 19/01/25(Fri)07:54 No. 13873 ID: 8fafd8

>>13863
>1+1, left alone for a period of time suddenly can become 4, 902, 57 000 or even -15

Evolution in a nutshell.


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Anonymous 19/01/25(Fri)12:40 No. 13875 ID: c19e4b

>>13869
That's probably the greatest conflation fedoras make when talking about mutations. As an example, HIV’s reverse transcriptase is very error prone, giving the virus a high mutation rate and allowing it to mutate rapidly within a single host. This rapid mutation makes the development of an effective vaccine against HIV very difficult.

Fedora tippers say this proves evolution is real according to their mental gymnastics. But it doesn't. All it does is prove that HIV rearranges its nucleotides. It doesn't evolve into something else. It's still HIV.

The same process could be said about a common cold. You can't develop a vaccine against it because it changes its nucleotide sequence and it's still a common cold.


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Anonymous 19/01/31(Thu)13:15 No. 13877 ID: ec9b1c

>>13875
If that isn't intellectual dishonesty I don't know what is.


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Anonymous 19/02/03(Sun)14:55 No. 13880 ID: fdab83

>>13877
It's everything you post.


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Anonymous 19/02/04(Mon)10:22 No. 13882 ID: af47e4

>>13875
If you think genetic errors are the criteria for being evolved you're moving the goalposts. Your example with HIV would mean that Down Syndrome makes a human evolved.

To believe in evolution is to believe that defects mean adaptability.


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Anonymous 19/02/14(Thu)08:40 No. 13883 ID: 8e6c7c

Evolution is kind of like the tooth fairy. You got to have a childish mind to believe it without physical evidence that shows you it's actually happening before your eyes.


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Anonymous 19/02/16(Sat)12:36 No. 13884 ID: 4da9ae

>>13883
I see the downtime didn't break this retarded postbot; too bad.


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Anonymous 19/02/18(Mon)13:37 No. 13888 ID: a998eb
13888

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>>13875
That makes sense. Fedora tippers argue that mutations is what alter the organisms appearance and constitution but when it doesn't change into something else they still say it evolves.

They want to have their cake and eat it too.


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Anonymous 19/02/19(Tue)09:06 No. 13890 ID: 13ccd2

>>13884
Nothing can stop untreated mental illness: Not snow, not sleet, not rain, not ice, not 404, not packet drops.


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Anonymous 19/02/19(Tue)11:04 No. 13891 ID: 518c7f

>>13888
>They want to have their cake and eat it too.

If something mutates and produces so many flaws in its nucleotide sequence that it can't be cured it proves the opposite of evolution. It degenerates so violently that it can't be destroyed.


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Anonymous 19/02/19(Tue)16:11 No. 13893 ID: 4df1db
13893

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>>13883
>Evolution is kind of like the tooth fairy.

I snickered.


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Anonymous 19/02/20(Wed)15:19 No. 13895 ID: 747485

>>13893
It’s funny because it is true.


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Anonymous 19/02/22(Fri)01:06 No. 13897 ID: a5d291

>>13895
You are not the inspired creation of a divine being.
You are just the shit of the universe; live with it.


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Anonymous 19/02/22(Fri)12:36 No. 13898 ID: c19e4b
13898

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>>13893
>I have never witnessed evolution in action but I still believe it happens


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Anonymous 19/02/22(Fri)14:05 No. 13899 ID: 084b56
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>>13883
>tooth fairy
>he doesn't believe in the randomly, abiogenically appearing Toothic Fairicus that has collected teeth on Earth since the Jurrasic period

You ignorant sheep need more education.



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