whatta u think of my T-34 killer?

>>7615

I suppose this one shall do for now.

One art pic of the Konigs Tiger (King Tiger II)

M4 Sherman

M4 closeup

Panther and Jagdpanther

a Helcat

Some tiny little pics in here...
Click thumbnail, receive thumbnail.

>>7615
I think it looks like a tasty snack.

>>7640

Jagdtiger says. "bolsheviks get back to the kitchen"

A M1A2 squad of T-72 killers.

>>7634
Is that a bag of doritos I see next to the turret commander?

>>7642

That's nice, but I really can't chat right now - I'm on my way to Berlin!

>>7643
I don't know about Doritos but it is all that and a bag of chips.

>>7645
I think he's daring someone to come take it away from him.

>>7644

Not if I have to say anything about it.

A real-life Paladin.

>>7647
Well, we all know how that story ended...

Leopard 2A6

>>7649

Oh we're not done yet. Just take a look what we've got in production.

>>7653 lol u play 2 much wh40k

Got bigger?

Tank???

>>7654

It was actually proposed and desired to be built. It was called the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte. And wtf is a wh40k?

And it will be built I assure you

Dr. Brody...
Dr. Jones...

I have top men working on it right now.

>>7658

Who?

Top...
Men...

>>7657
Of course, a major part of the reason they got raped by the Russians is because their goofy ideology led them to believe uberweapons like this would save them.

While the Germans frittered away their resources on BS like this, and fussy expensive machines like the the Tiger and the Me109, Russians simply zerged them with massively superior numbers of things T-34's and "wooden wonder" LA-5's, cruder but equal or superior in combat performance and vastly more reliable/producible.

Pic related, although it's not a tank.

>>7665

I wouldn't say that at all. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a kraut-lover and rammstein annoys the hell out of me, but the Germans would have mopped the floor with the Russians had they waited to develop said uberweapons. Take the Tiger, Panther, and Konigstiger. Those things were innovations of modern armor.

Also keep in mind that the Germans were greatly outnumbered by the Russians, so they couldn't afford to do any "Rush by numbers" a la Chinese or Vietcong. The Germans had to rely on taking out numerically superior foes on the eastern-front. Tiger Tank Veterans often said how they were outnumbered 10 or 20 to 1 by T-34s. And the kill ratio the Germans got against the communists was staggering. Mostly 10 to 1 on the ground and in the air there would be German Aces with over 100 kills.

Yes the Ratte and Maus might have been crazy, but compare that to the brilliant King Tiger and the ME-242. Not to mention all the rocket technology the Nazis had in the works. Get a decent number of those machines and you would be an ultimate Juggernaut. Had they waited, our cold war would have been against Germany instead of Russia.

>>7623

The forefather of the modern Tank

>>7686

Okay, several separate issues there.

First of all, Ratte and other such bullshit like two-barrel turrets goes right out of the window, it's pure sci-fi and would never work and even if it did it would be laughably ineffective. We're ignoring all that.

So, the tanks which Germans actually made. Both Tiger and Panther weren't ubertanks, and in fact they were plagued with mechanical problems. They were only considered ubertanks simply because neither US nor Russia fielded tanks in same category. Russia got caught with its pants down so all that mattered was making as many tested, working(more or less hurr durr) weapons as possible and US had it's "Infantry Doctrine" where tanks were supposed to be used in anti-infantry duty and AT duty was to be handled by tank destroyers. So yes, German heavy tanks were vastly superior to T34s or Shermans, but that's because both T34 and Sherman are medium tanks. Compare Panther and Tiger to Pershing and IS-2 and the line gets quite blurry.

Finally, uberweapons. With Germany's resources dwindling fast in later stages of the war, it was simply a bad decision to make advanced, complicated weapons, and tanks are no exception. Of course that was probably solely Hitler's fault, but I figure when you're losing you will try to get anything that looks like a superweapon to turn the war around. Sadly, that's when you need cold logic, and not magic. Had Germany switched to just mass-producing, say, Panzer IVs... I won't say they would win the war, but they would most likely last much longer.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some kind of raging amerikwan/russian fanboy(and I actually like few Rammstein songs), and I am not going to deny that Germany made many great weapons during the war, but fact is their military became very romanticized in the past 10-20 years, creating this vision of technologically superior ubermensch(how ironic!) who only lost because the enemies outnumbered them and attacked from both sides or something.

>>7720
Excellent post. Pretty much what I was going to say.

And I do like things German - I drive a German car, plus I was the guy that posted the (awesome) Leopard 2A6. I have some German ancestry myself. It's not about "the Germans."

But the NAZI's fucked up ideology directly led to their eventual epic assraping, and the related fascination with "uberweapons" was largely a massive waste of resources. The Me 262 and Komet didn't stop the Allies from bombing German cities to piles of rubble, the Elefants and King Tigers couldn't stop swarms of T-34's from swamping them utterly. The V weapons proved to be little more than a spectacular nuisance.

The US, UK, and the Russians all had rocket programs (the V-2 was largely based on Robert Goddard's earlier work), jet aircraft programs (Lockheed's L-133 project, started in 1939, would have been far more advanced than Me 262 if it had been built, for example), very heavy tanks (Pershing, IS-2/3), etc... however they had the sense to focus the bulk of their efforts on the practical rather than the fantastical.

But the NAZI's philosophy was not interested in crude things like reality. They believed they were the Master Race, and that the inferior Russians would fall before them like cavemen or something. The Me 262 could have been used early on to restore air superiority over Germany, but Hitler liked the idea of the thing swooping in like a Valkyrie on the untermenschen, so insisted it be developed as a Schnellbomber - a task for which it was poorly suited.

tl;dr: the NAZI's aberrant obsession with grandiose bullshit on a political, racial, philosophical, and technical level == the single greatest FAIL in modern human history.

Pic related.

>>7733

I wouldn't blame nazi ideology itself, personally. After all it's just extreme nationalism. Something that actually helps a lot during the war.

If I had to point fingers, it would be individuals, mostly Hitler who had de facto unlimited power and last word on everything. Problem was, he knew jack shit about a lot of things and military strategy was one of them.

>>7753
Saw a documentary on Opperation Barbarossa on History channel.

Yeah, Hitler was an idiot. "Mein furher, if our panzers continue on their current path they will encircle a huge chunk of the soviet army." "But the march on Stalingrad is slow! Divert the panzers there!"

>>7753
>After all it's just extreme nationalism. Something that actually helps a lot during the war.

True that it helps morale during war.

But if you take your nationalism so far that you operate under the assumption that your enemies are inherently incompetent untermenschen who are incapable of defending themselves, you kinda deserve to lose, hard. That kind of gross stupidity bears a high price, as it should.

Especially when your plan was more or less openly to exterminate said untermenschen and replace them with colonists - "staying alive" offers quite a powerful incentive to the defenders.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

Pic related to bring us back on topic, it's a proven King Tiger-killer. T26E1-1, with the T15E1 90mm 73 cal, which was created specifically to beat the Tiger II in a straight up gunfight. Sadly, only this example ever saw combat, but US doctrine discouraged tank-on-tank engagements anyway.

Which doesn't mean that they never occurred: http://www.3ad.com/history/news/super.pershing.1.htm

>>7772

This is >>7686 here. I heard about this as well. Apparently it was suspected that the super-pershing reflected a shot from the enemy King Tiger. The crew of the Pershing however wrote it off as probably anti-tank fire from enemy infantry.

The battle between the two ended up climaxing as the the Pershing Tank got an underbelly shot that blew the Tiger II's turret right off. Seeing how great the Pershing could have been in supporting troops during the breakout, I have to criticize allied doctrine of the time.

And in response to the other posts, we have to admit that the Germans would have conquered Europe had they waited. Yeah Hitler had too much machismo for his own good, but his commanders used the amazing German technology well.

Case in point: look how Rommel used those shitty Panzer IIIs to great effect in France. I just thank God that Germany didn't expand the rocket program to the extent that they outfitted on of those bastards with a small nuclear device.

and here's one more pic of the Pershing compared to a Sherman 76mm.

and one more retired pic so you can see the dimensions more clearly.

A cutaway of a King Tiger.

>>7904
if you had this in a better resolution it would make a killer wallpaper

>>7923

The only half-way decent cutaway I have for the moment is this one of the M4-Sherman 75mm.

this is the vehicle i drive around the Muktar's house...

:D

BT, one of the last so-called Cavalry Tanks. Originally designed by... americans, specifically J. Walter Christie, it found it's place in Stalin's great plan to conquer all of Europe in one sweeping blitzkrieg(Over 8000 were built between 1932 and 1941). It's most distinguishing feature was the possibility of removing the tracks which greatly increased maximum speed on roads; Official data puts it at over 70kmph, but rumor goes it could even reach a 100(!) on autobahns. Of course it had no armor to speak of, and it's gun was "adequate", but the point was to steal Himmler's parking place at Reichstag before he even knew the war was on!

So they made this awesome render of a Panther that could double off as a wallpaper.

Just a little pic of Mike Whittman to along with all the tiger pics here.

>>8475

Forgotten Hope kicks ass. FH1 more than FH2 but FH2 is still in its early stages.

>>8513

I'm just stumbling upon the Sherman models they had. Yeah it's a render, but they capture the dimensions so well that it serves as a better highlight than any black and white photos I had.

76mm version of the Sherman.

and finally one of the M-10 Wolverine.

>>7613
>TANKS!

You're welcome!

>geddit?

The classic Panther is where its at, the modern version is also happens to be one of the best in the world if not THE best.

>>7753

Nazism isn't just extreme nationalism, that's oversimplification on a hurr durr level.

>>8586

A modernized version? Please explain.

I think maybe he meant Leopards.

Which are indeed fine machines, and apparently far more reliable than their WW2 predecessors.

>>8604

Very well, we'll take a few thousand of these and some of those Panthers for the Russian front.

content, plus nuclear artillery....like to see a leopard stand up to that particular piece

same poster as 8607

>>8607
Unlike a Panther, Leopard (at least Leopard 2) has an NBC protection system, so unless it's close enough to set it alight or smash it (or it's an enhanced-radiation [neutron] bomb), the crew has a good shot at surviving.

>>7613
>>8602
Exactly, easy to get confused sometimes.
All these tanks are named after big cats,for good reason; because they are at the top of the food chain at least on the ground.

well its not a real one but still a tank(flying one called Rape cannon)

This is the greatest tank of all time. It beats everything, including Aids.

>>9189
Didn't beat a crappy little glider armed with a towrope.

Communists can only win anything by massively outnumbering the opposition, and tank warfare is no exception.

Also, say hello to the Challenger!

I got a bunch of tank pics so I may as well post 'em.

I fire nukes bitches!

>>9193

lolwut?

>>9195
<---This man concurs.

>>9196
I lol'd at the thing written on the main gun.

>>9189
Say what, bitch?

>>9204

lol, Simo. Probably most overrated "sniper" of all time.

>>9233

Mind giving us some reasons for why he's so overrated? Or why you even put sniper in fucking quotation marks? Right now, you're just trolling, or as the /b/ wordfilter aptly puts it, stupiding.

>>9233
Butthurt Communist faggot detected.

>>9205

Crom laughs at your fall winds.

>>9233

Behold, another Commy Killer arrives.

>>9235

Because political orientation has been scientifically proven to have any influence on sexual orientation.

>>9238

Actually it was a sort of profiling that was gathered by Communists, liberals, and fags having similar characteristics.

>>9239
truth

>Mind giving us some reasons for why he's so overrated?

Of course. Here's how a typical battle in the Finnish-Russian war looked like:

Russians advance along one road at a bottom of a valley. They advance in a line one car after another because both sides of the road are mined. They reach a bridge; sappers say the bridge is clean. As soon as first two vehicles are on it, the bridge explodes - the explosives were inside the supports, but there when it was being built. From the forest on both sides of the road, the finns open fire. They calmly target officers and drivers first, creating utter chaos. Russians try to fall back, but many trucks are towing AT guns so it's impossible, you can't get off the road because of the mines, and getting behind the wheel is a death sentence in the first place. So, the entire column pretty much panicks, throws all the guns away to the side of the road, reverses what it can and runs the fuck away... straight into finns who had enough time to set up a roadblock.

Think for yourself - if he's really an awesome sniper, how did come he is credited with 200 kills with an SMG? Is he so fucking amazing that the sole fact he holds it in his arms made it as accurate as a rifle, extended it's range?

Or maybe the gunfights were really taking place THIS close and were really THIS easy?

>>9243
>Or maybe the gunfights were really taking place THIS close and were really THIS easy?

Assuming what you're telling us about the carnage, then it was easy all right, but I don't consider the fact that he got a lot of kills with an SMG as evidence. After all, that does not logically entail that all of his encounters were at close range.

the hard part of being a sniper is not to shot someone but to survive or avoid the revenge of victims comrades

and although it is easier to stay alive while ambushing rather harmless enemies simo did well and survived the whole war

He got those 200 Suomi kills IN ADDITION to his kills with his rifle, not in spite of. If you were a soldier on the Eastern Front for a good three-four years with near constant combat, you'd rack up an impressive killcard, too. Assuming you don't die first.

Target rich environment.

... It's like none of you know what propaganda is.

>Target rich environment.

That's the POINT.

Okay, so it's not a tank, but I fucking love the Paladin and this is a badass photo.

>>7772

Actually, my father knew Corporal John Irwin. According to him, that King Tiger was not waiting in ambush, but was driving about the city, having knocked out two Shermans. The encounter in this article isn't what happened. They were actually following the bastard and somehow ended up in front of him. The Tiger fired and the Pershing shot back, knocking part of a house down into the street. The tiger and the pershing both started moving and the german tank drove over the rubble from the american's first shot, exposing the underside long enough for the pershing to fire again and kill it. That's how he told it to me.

>>9289
Shit, the last couple of posts have been about fucking Simo Häyhä, so self-propelled artillery is a step in the right direction.

Merkava up in this bitch! Suprised no one has posted yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5XYFsZ01ek

Merkava: yes
Linking to future weapons: no-no

>>7643
Looks like sunflower seeds.

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