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Obsession with freedom Anonymous 20/02/09(Sun)14:55 No. 14401 ID: 7d5109
14401

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https://gwmemorial.org/pages/george-washington-the-mason
>George Washington joined the Masonic Lodge in Fredericksburg, Virginia, at the age of twenty in 1752. During the War for Independence, General Washington attended Masonic celebrations and religious observances in several states. He also supported Masonic lodges that formed within army regiments.
>Such was Washington’s character, that from almost the day he took his Masonic obligations until his death, he became the same man in private that he was in public. In Masonic terms, he remained “a just and upright Mason.” Brother Washington was, in Masonic terms, a “living stone” who became the cornerstone of American civilization.

The American Constitution is the founding document that supposedly promotes freedom for individuals regardless of creed or religion but when you look at who wrote this document it becomes fairly obvious that all this is a mere reflection of slave owning anarchists that refused to obey others. It stipulates that people have a right to bare arms and own land but with what justification? The constitutional rights espoused in the U.S.A seem to be nothing more than the extension of self-righteous egotism that in the modern day society results in mass shootings and exploitation of other people. It's not about building a functional society, it's about protecting oneself from everything that goes against your own interests.


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Anonymous 20/02/10(Mon)12:05 No. 14402 ID: 143b09

Freedom in America means hedonism. Do whatever you want and be an asshole.


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Anonymous 20/02/13(Thu)09:14 No. 14403 ID: 79ab15

Here's your friendly reminder that America only came into existence because some Europeans were tired of being ruled, so left to go somewhere they could be the rulers, instead. Most other countries came into being around some kind of central culture or ethnic group indigenous to the area, but America did not. America came to be because some people wanted to be assholes and their country wouldn't let them, so they found some nice indigenous folks and killed them and took their land and installed themselves as leaders over all of them, plus slaves and poor whites and anyone else.


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Anonymous 20/02/13(Thu)11:21 No. 14408 ID: a8ae85

Freedom is the concept where Ayn Rand, Max Stirner and LaVeyan satanism intersect: everything is pointless and you should do that which pleases you. Libertine excesses do not exist.


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Anonymous 20/02/14(Fri)10:04 No. 14409 ID: 02c8e4

>>14402
Americans think that everything opposite of what the government wants is freedom. If there is taxes then no taxes means freedom. If there is drug prohibition then drug legalization means freedom. I bet you that Americans would gorge on feces if there was a law against it.


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Anonymous 20/02/14(Fri)10:13 No. 14410 ID: 6cd6b2

>>14409
>I bet you that Americans would gorge on feces if there was a law against it.
They do already, haven't you noticed how most coprophilia is primarily an American/German fetish (and there were a lot of Germans "procured" by America post WWII)..


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Anonymous 20/02/14(Fri)13:33 No. 14411 ID: d6b8d0

>>14408
>Stirner
>LaVey
>Rand

Fedora overload.


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Anonymous 20/02/18(Tue)04:36 No. 14412 ID: 9241f7

>>14401
Agreed. The phrase 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' may originally have implied a higher definition of 'happiness' than is currently understood by the mass of people in what has become a self-centred and hedonistic society.

From Wikipedia, on the origins of the phrase, suggesting that it may have been 'borrowed' from John Locke:
"In 1689, Locke argued in his Two Treatises of Government that political society existed for the sake of protecting "property", which he defined as a person's "life, liberty, and estate".[7] In A Letter Concerning Toleration, he wrote that the magistrate's power was limited to preserving a person's "civil interest", which he described as "life, liberty, health, and indolency of body; and the possession of outward things".[8] He declared in his Essay Concerning Human Understanding that "the highest perfection of intellectual nature lies in a careful and constant pursuit of true and solid happiness".[9]

According to those scholars who saw the root of Jefferson's thought in Locke's doctrine, Jefferson replaced "estate" with "the pursuit of happiness", although this does not mean that Jefferson meant the "pursuit of happiness" to refer primarily or exclusively to property. Under such an assumption, the Declaration of Independence would declare that government existed primarily for the reasons Locke gave..."

So are we really seeing the decline of an empire because the intent of the founding fathers has been lost in the selfish interpretation of a few words, or were the words and the concept they represented flawed to begin with? Locke's "true and solid happiness" leading to the "highest perfection of intellectual nature" is hardly recognisable in the things which modern Americans view as bringing happiness. To parody Locke, a 'false and shallow happiness' has become the norm, the goal.

But what about the other possibility, that even in their highest possible meaning, the concepts themselves were flawed? The rights of the individual were placed at the heart of the constitution as a response to the lack of same under the Monarchy. Any idea which defines itself only in relation to another however, is doomed to be limited by that inherent restriction. As OP says, the Constitution is not about building a functional society, it's about empowering individuals. A worthy aim, but is it enough?


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Anonymous 20/02/20(Thu)16:35 No. 14417 ID: 71d21b

>>14412
>it's about empowering individuals

Not really. As far as I can tell Americans get inflated egos. American "culture" is easily digestible narcissism on steroids.


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Anonymous 20/02/21(Fri)03:57 No. 14419 ID: 1f6c42

>>14412
The Constitution was framed around the ideal of "philosopher kings". The central concept would be that the odd democracy/republic the founders established would allow freedom to all citizens in the hope that the cream of society would rise to the top to be the leaders. That the best and brightest, so to speak, would become those "philosopher kings", based on (I can only assume) a highly erroneous notion that humans are rational creatures that will properly govern themselves so long as they are given a fair opportunity to do so.

This was to be in contrast with monarchic or feudal systems of governance where if the crown prince was a complete idiot there would be nothing that could be done about it, and if the person who was potentially the best ruler for the country in intelligence and personality was born in a slum, there was also nothing that could be done about it. There, the prince would become the king, and the kid would die in that slum, no matter what.

But the problem is the creation of this system in which there was established only a theoretical POSSIBILITY that the best would be able to gain leadership and success, led to a belief (ever more fervent in modernity) that it was actually a guarantee. That the leaders would always be the best and brightest, and that those who did not succeed were therefore undeserving and flawed. You are correct when you asserted that commonly law only allows itself to protect both person and property. In this, the American system has perverted itself into defiance of that concept entirely. In the desperate attempt to ensure totality of opportunity and the facade of equality, it has instead made itself into a system of anarchy. Now the majority can tyrannize the minority unopposed (persons are not protected) and individuals and corporations are allowed to rewrite rules and laws as they see fit to hoard wealth for themselves (property is not protected). Additionally, the government (eminent domain) and police (civil forfeiture) can and DO simply take your property and are under no burden to give it back or provide fair compensation. Let's not even get started on taxes.

The people, of course, that quotable "temporarily embarrassed millionaires", accept this based on nothing but the false promise that they, too, will sit at the top if they simply work hard enough. Hence why they predictably and consistently make choices in law and policy to their own detriment to enrich their defacto rulers, and continue to believe that those rulers are where they are because they deserve it and actually are the best and brightest. This is tantamount to allowing underclassmen of schools to vote on whether bullying/hazing should be allowed, after first promising them that they (when they become upperclassmen) will definitely be the ones doing the bullying.


The fundamental issue, I believe, is this American obsession with classifying people into permanently and indelibly "good" or "evil", rather than recognizing the potential for both to exist in everyone. Hence the delusion that solving gun violence is simply figuring out who the "evil" people are and denying them access to firearms, while HEAVILY arming all the "good" people. This may be indicated as being a religious belief (America is the least secular of all "developed" countries) but is certainly also a property of this Constitution which promises that power and greatness will somehow only come to the most deserving and benevolent. And of course, if a person finds themselves on the outs of society, jobless or homeless or sick or in poverty, it must be their own fault, because they are bad people.

Other developed countries have moved past this and found ways to perform the original good of protecting person and property. This often involves taking power away from the individual, because the greatest truth is often that most people who have power, even the tiniest bit, will misuse it through malevolence or ignorance. You can't simply thrust the power of the Vote into the hands of every citizen without providing education of governance, expecting them to just use it for good on a delusion that they are fundamentally good. To put it bluntly, there is nothing primarily good about totally unrestricted free speech. Your right to call someone an asshole doesn't trump their right to not be called an asshole. Removing that right will not suddenly cause the government to become a corrupt censoring propaganda machine a-la Big Brother, UNLESS THE GOVERNMENT IS ALREADY CORRUPT.

And therein lies the real truth behind much of the Constitution. You see, when it was written, America was in a very delicate and fragile state. The biggest threats were not from within, but without; the fear would be that a corrupt foreign power that was at the time vastly more powerful than America would insert itself into the government and take over. Then, after some short time, this puppet government would happily annex itself back to the control of one of the big colonial powers, much to the detriment of the American people. But that state has changed and is no longer relevant. As an example, the law that a President must have been born in the USA. Back then, it makes complete sense to prevent the President from actually being a puppet of a foreign government. But nowadays it does not make sense. There is absolutely no difference whether or not Obama had been born in Kenya or in Hawaii; all those "birthers" were arguing the letter of the Constitution without having the slightest understanding of WHY it was written that way.

And if anyone else still believes that the Constitution is some vaunted perfect immutable document akin to Scripture, kindly remind yourself of the existence of the Eighteenth and Twenty-First Amendments.


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Anonymous 20/02/21(Fri)16:38 No. 14421 ID: 60dfea

>>14409
This.

People stab each other in the back for dollar bills and fame. A shallow cesspool of filth and decadence.


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Anonymous 20/02/24(Mon)11:38 No. 14423 ID: 143b09

>>14421
American freedom is kind of hollow. No real substance, just endless self-importance.


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Anonymous 20/02/27(Thu)11:29 No. 14424 ID: a8ae85

>>14411
Only fedoras want to do as they please. They lack inner restrictions and think everything can be justified.


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Anonymous 20/02/27(Thu)17:40 No. 14425 ID: 6cd6b2

>>14424
>Only fedoras want to do as they please. They lack inner restrictions and think everything can be justified.
Your statement is more flawed than all the tipped fedoras in the world.

Many people do as they please. But they also engage in society, accept social responsibility and understand they must work towards their goals rather then expecting the world to pamper and provide for them. This is where the tipper philosophy fails, in reality.

Your common tipper also houses more self control than you give credit. Their inner control is higher than that of the mean man because they receive so little beyond what is granted by their parents, predominately food, a basement dwelling and internet access {For the astute you will notice love/nurturance is missing, but this is not accidental}. If they truly lacked inner restrictions we would see a lot more of them on the news after they got their Vitamin-D deficient body’s broken as a result of either airing their opinions in public to other men or in response to attempting to forcefully act their inner fantasies with the fairer sex and a subsequent ass-kicking from the refusing lady.


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Anonymous 20/02/28(Fri)09:54 No. 14426 ID: 02c8e4

>>14425
I think you confuse cowardice with self-restraint. If an atheist is aware that nothing he/she does will be punished and there are no higher beings that dictate what is permissible or not, then he/she is free to do as he/she pleases. But if an atheist still does not do whatever he/she wants despite the lack of higher authority then he/she is a coward.


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Anonymous 20/02/28(Fri)10:04 No. 14427 ID: 6cd6b2

>>14426
It's not often this happens:

You're rights, I was mistaken.


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Anonymous 20/02/28(Fri)10:53 No. 14428 ID: 8ad094

the maintainer of the mentally ill postbot finally realized his old thread was no longer bumping and has latched onto a new thread

go away mentally ill postbot, nobody likes you


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Anonymous 20/02/28(Fri)15:14 No. 14429 ID: 9a993c

>>14428
Go back to the 8th troll.


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Anonymous 20/02/29(Sat)23:59 No. 14430 ID: c2be70

Ok. So what's your question, OP?


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Anonymous 20/03/05(Thu)14:26 No. 14431 ID: b40264

American freedom consists of turning your country into a big shopping mall. Pointless consumerism.


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Anonymous 20/03/09(Mon)12:12 No. 14432 ID: 143b09

>>14431
America is a good example of why freedom is bad.


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Anonymous 20/03/11(Wed)09:16 No. 14435 ID: 945017

>>14432
America is, truly, a horrible place... except for all those other places.


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Anonymous 20/03/15(Sun)13:28 No. 14444 ID: 7d5109
14444

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>>14432
When you look at how superficial and vain the American culture is you begin to realize how utterly perverted freedom is. There exists only accomplishments, not purposes. There is no higher meaning, only instant gratification. If you want drug induced stimuli you can smoke cannabis in several states and then sit around, watching cartoons like a child all day long. You can devour tons of processed food, cheaper than anywhere on the planet and develop diabetes, morbid obesity and heart diseases. You can purchase firearms and waste ammunition on rage filled killing sprees because you feel ostracized from society. You can peruse limitless episodes of Netflix shows that's being churned out at such a pace that it makes little sense to why you could or should watch anything at all since it's mere entertainment designed to be consumed. There is a massive abundance of so called freedom but it's never enough. When you've legalized cannabis, you move on to stronger substances and want to legalize cocaine. When you've got firearms, you sooner or later want fighter jets and Apache helicopters. What's worse is that the U.S.A and the freedom it's so fond of isn't upheld by anything. The national debt is sky-high, it never decreases and people go to war over inane reasons, producing even more debt. The poorest among the populace are forced to join the army because they need education or have mortgages to pay off. They bleed and die for nothing other than protecting "freedom".


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Anonymous 20/03/16(Mon)11:46 No. 14446 ID: 3d6d71

>>14432
What most Americans fail to realize is that the point of "freedom" was never intended to be "freedom to X", but "freedom from X". Plenty of people confuse or conflate the two. America was founded to escape oppression, not to fucking express themselves.

It's not about being able to practice your religion; it's about the government being unable to force a state religion on you. It's not about being able to own guns; it's about a corrupt government being unable to force rule on you. It's not about being able to spout whatever inane bullshit you feel like speaking; it's about the government being unable to censor you.

I'd much prefer freedom from dying of preventable disease and homelessness, but everyone else only cares about freedom to be a dickhead whenever they choose. Other countries are better than America in literally every possible measure for anyone who is not a millionaire, but at the cost that you're not allowed to be a dickhead. Really, that's all there is to it.


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Anonymous 20/03/17(Tue)23:14 No. 14448 ID: aecef2

>>14446
Yeah, Europe and Russia are so free from dickheads, I never see any of them spouting off for mass genocide of refugees/liberals/gays/transgenders ever. Just sunshine and apricots from the land that gave us two world wars!


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Anonymous 20/03/18(Wed)00:32 No. 14449 ID: fca2d4

>>14448
>Yeah, Europe and Russia are so free from dickheads, I never see any of them spouting off for mass genocide of refugees/liberals/gays/transgenders ever.
Because, you fool, you do not seen what comes after. One evil can be contained, two curbed, three is folly but four merges into something worse:

"THOU SHALL NOT SUFFER A FURRY TO LIVE!"


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Anonymous 20/03/20(Fri)15:58 No. 14450 ID: f6faad

>>14444
The U.S.A is pretty depressing. No real culture or own language, everything is treated like a commodity and people are stuck in this repulsive mindset that you have to acquire wealth in order to be respected. The only reason why people want to live in the U.S is because they can be douchebags. It's a rootless ADHD society.


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Anonymous 20/03/24(Tue)15:47 No. 14456 ID: 6a6fc4

>>14450
Freedom ain't free unless you're overweight and ready to die for Israel.


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Anonymous 20/04/06(Mon)09:12 No. 14458 ID: fc2037

>>14456
I doubt that Americans know what freedom means. It's just a perpetual buzzword they use in order to justify what they want.


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Anonymous 20/04/06(Mon)14:48 No. 14459 ID: fca2d4

Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkTmnJkAN8


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Anonymous 20/04/30(Thu)10:06 No. 14469 ID: 689472

>>14458
Freedom in America is pseudo-anarchism. It's a teenage mindset where you defy everything you dislike.


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Anonymous 20/05/02(Sat)12:51 No. 14483 ID: 7d5109
14483

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>>14469
The U.S.A is a giant kindergarten. Adult people screaming and chanting like morons over who is the most obnoxious and defiant. All in the name of freedom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkBseVTUow


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Anonymous 20/05/06(Wed)14:20 No. 14490 ID: da7df6

>>14483
That's a lot of freedom loving retards.


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Anonymous 20/05/07(Thu)12:18 No. 14492 ID: 9ad87a

>>14490
Obesity is freedom.


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Anonymous 20/05/14(Thu)10:01 No. 14499 ID: 689472

>>14483
Wow. That's kind of scary.


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Anonymous 20/05/19(Tue)08:48 No. 14501 ID: 7cb4c3

Would you prefer to be paying into a monarchy OP?

I have a lot of issues with the constitution, I have a lot of issues with the government it is based on not following it either but I have to admit it's probably better sending our money to Africa than to Africa corps.


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Anonymous 20/05/20(Wed)09:51 No. 14507 ID: 899f88
14507

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>>14483
>protesting a lockdown meant to inhibit the spread of a disease

Dah evul gubermant wantz 2 teyk hour freedumz!


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Anonymous 20/05/20(Wed)10:20 No. 14508 ID: 7cb4c3

>>14507
It really didn't do shit for New York in all fairness


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Anonymous 20/05/22(Fri)13:32 No. 14511 ID: 4c05af

>>14507
This.


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Anonymous 20/06/03(Wed)17:21 No. 14517 ID: 143b09

>>14483
First this idiocy and then race riots over some dead crackhead negro. The U.S.A is a wonderful, multicultural place.


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Anonymous 20/06/04(Thu)07:05 No. 14518 ID: 7cb4c3

>>14517
"That's manners!"

-Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, Alice in Wonderland


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Anonymous 20/06/18(Thu)11:35 No. 14555 ID: 582f7a

>>14518
He is right, though. George Floyd was a drug addicted criminal and even threatened pregnant women.


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Anonymous 20/06/19(Fri)07:30 No. 14556 ID: 7cb4c3

>>14555
Plus he was just rude

You can be strung out and still be alright company, but the world is better without him for sure


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Anonymous 20/07/02(Thu)09:27 No. 14566 ID: 24b134

Freedom is the pursuit of frivolity. You only want freedom because you desire selfishness.


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Anonymous 20/07/06(Mon)12:17 No. 14567 ID: 7cb4c3

>>14566
The idea of being free is certainly attributed to an individual living in such a society, not that it would require the same degree of selfishness considered for actions deemed such


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Anonymous 20/07/14(Tue)17:09 No. 14570 ID: 7d5109
14570

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>>14566
>You only want freedom because you desire selfishness.

This. Kant's principle of morality ("Act so that the basis of your action may be valid for all men.") is the exact opposite of freedom. Kant's principle means death to the individual impulses. For the liberty lover, that standard can never be the way all men would act because he only follows his own whim. That's why you see so many psycopaths that actively promote recreational drug use because it is in accordance with their own garish hedonism.


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Anonymous 20/08/01(Sat)16:22 No. 14576 ID: f4ee5d

holy shit, the fedora postbot is still on job. how long has he been going for now?


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Anonymous 20/08/06(Thu)15:42 No. 14578 ID: 1c5141

>>14576
Take your meds, schizo.


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Anonymous 20/08/22(Sat)15:11 No. 14581 ID: a1767f

>>14570
Now that you mention psycopaths and how they always espouse subjective morality you should take a look at this guy called Vegan Gains (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGFVBqZEoW0).

>atheist
>mentally ill
>calls himself existential nihilist
>has a profound hatred towards humanity and this warped misanthropy makes him a fanatic animal rights activist
>has gone through a vasectomy to ensure he never reproduces
>encourages his wife to post nude photographs for money

This is freedom in a nutshell.


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Anonymous 20/08/25(Tue)15:23 No. 14582 ID: 4cd479

>>14581
You can tell that he is fake. Even his laughter is forced.


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Anonymous 20/09/17(Thu)13:06 No. 14590 ID: 1c5141

>>14581
His fedora levels are off the charts.


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Anonymous 20/09/23(Wed)11:21 No. 14592 ID: 8840b1

>>14581
That man lives a pointless life and is utterly depressed. Sad.


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Anonymous 20/09/25(Fri)10:02 No. 14593 ID: 083247

American freedom is about individualism. The U.S is a mongrelized and rootless society that lacks a cohesive culture and because of that Americans substitute a sense of belonging with egotism. It's a big commercial carnival that is about generating taxes for the rich to exploit and for the poor to suffer. Unlike actual shitholes like Russia or China, the U.S dissimulates their moral bankruptcy behind a mask of bleached teeth and Hollywood delusions.


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Anonymous 20/09/30(Wed)02:40 No. 14594 ID: e38882

At the end of the day, all morals and philosophies are nothing but vanity, created by us who look upon an uncaring world and the masses of our fellow genetic success stories and try to devise something to either extract meaning or grant it.

None of it is real. Rights, morals, justifications, these are all as fictitious as any other delusion. We are masses of chemicals, following a proscribed set of instructions that are carried out via physical chains of actions and reactions, and which happen to have been programmed in a way that is exceptionally good at finding patterns where there are none and at creating social contexts and constructs. Merely because some masses of chemicals created an artificial social framework that happens to be sel-serving does not make that framework less valid than any other, because all these frameworks are imaginary to begin with.


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Anonymous 20/10/03(Sat)04:29 No. 14598 ID: 120827

>>14594
aw jeez rick


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Anonymous 20/10/06(Tue)11:52 No. 14601 ID: f94355

>>14593
You begin to wonder what the point is. The U.S is just a big shopping mall.


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Anonymous 20/10/14(Wed)15:18 No. 14604 ID: 747485

>>14594
*tips fedora*: the post.


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Anonymous 20/10/20(Tue)10:42 No. 14614 ID: 7cb4c3

>>14594
Excellent


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Anonymous 20/11/27(Fri)11:01 No. 14649 ID: 60dfea

>>14444
I agree with this sentiment. Another problem is that Americans are indifferent about their roots. They gladly let their country get flooded with Mexicans and other brown people because they are spineless.


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Anonymous 20/11/27(Fri)21:43 No. 14650 ID: 7cb4c3

>>14649
You guys need to watch more cartoons


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Anonymous 20/12/01(Tue)13:34 No. 14654 ID: 4cd479

>>14650
>cartoons

Let me guess: stoner manchild sitting behind his computer 24/7?


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Anonymous 20/12/06(Sun)19:48 No. 14655 ID: 6395b5

>>14401
>>14412
>>14419
>>14444
>>14446
>>14570
appreciate all of your posts, quite enlightening. I may respond later.


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Anonymous 20/12/20(Sun)04:54 No. 14665 ID: f57f27
14665

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>>14654
Let me guess, elderly crackpot upset about pretty much everything, TV has a shoe through its screen


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Anonymous 20/12/21(Mon)05:31 No. 14667 ID: e08dd8
14667

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>>14665
I loathe misleading graphs. Here's one with the y-axis not cropped to suggest something unsupported by the data.

America was overwhelmingly religious. IT STILL IS.


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Anonymous 20/12/21(Mon)05:39 No. 14668 ID: e08dd8

>>14655
Addendum: The amount of people identifying as religious declined 9% in 20 years. Assuming the rate does not change, this suggests that it will reach zero in about another 190 years, so the year 2204 or so.

America, and probably literally everything else, will long since have ceased to exist by then.


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Anonymous 21/03/07(Sun)23:07 No. 14691 ID: 4bd1b0

What makes you think that building a functional society is antithetical to protecting your interests?


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Anonymous 21/03/07(Sun)23:12 No. 14693 ID: 4bd1b0

>>14668
>Because something is declining in popularity means its popularity will reduce to zero. America will not exist because I say so.
Nope.


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Anonymous 21/03/08(Mon)08:03 No. 14694 ID: 6dab7d

>>14668
Seriously?


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Anonymous 21/03/08(Mon)22:13 No. 14695 ID: b47738

>>14693
Whether I say so won't stop climate change, resource exhaustion, biosphere collapse, mass extinction, decline of EROI on all energy sources, and a whole lot of nuclear weapons pointed in various directions a hair-trigger from going off.

When the shit hits the fan, I'd love to tell you "I told you so", but the internet will probably be the first bit of major infrastructure to collapse. Shortly followed by the cellphone network, power network, water and sewer, public services (police, fire, ambulance), and food supply.

When the store shelves go bare, and this time around stay that way for a few months, you'll know that I was right. Won't need anyone to tell you, either.


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Anonymous 21/03/11(Thu)04:05 No. 14707 ID: ca3c06

>>14695
Sounds fun. Hey, we earned it.


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Anonymous 21/03/11(Thu)14:21 No. 14708 ID: 897003

>>14695
>the internet will probably be the first bit of major infrastructure to collapse. Shortly followed by the cellphone network, power network, water and sewer, public services (police, fire, ambulance), and food supply.
All the simulations put power-grids first. Access to power will limit other services.


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Anonymous 21/03/16(Tue)06:41 No. 14711 ID: b1c870

>>14708
Grids are decentralized enough and can easily be taken down in sections by the power company. Of course, this depends on the speed of the collapse. If it's full-on nuclear apocalypse style, yeah, the power's just going to shut off one day and never come back on. But if it's a slow burn over like 10 years (which is much more likely), they'll just start cutting off service in rural areas, and charging exorbitant amounts to those that remain. The internet and cellphone networks rely on newer and more delicate infrastructure, like satellites and fiber cable.

Aside from that, any retard with a generator or some solar panels can power their own house, at least for a while. But ain't nobody can make their own world wide internet or cellphone network.


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Anonymous 21/03/26(Fri)09:44 No. 14712 ID: 7cb4c3

I'd like to bring this dialogue back to the main point of the constitution being to overthrow the government

Nearly every single right given to us was supposed to be used to kill the president


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Anonymous 21/03/26(Fri)17:58 No. 14718 ID: 7d5109

>>14712
But how does one determine when that is justified? Freedom in this sense means that you kill a tyrant but it's only tyranny when you're not allowed to do as you please. It all boils down to selfishness in the end and whether or not you feel threatened by a higher authority that denies you the "right" to something.


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Anonymous 21/04/08(Thu)08:37 No. 14729 ID: 9075a1

>>14444
Accurate post. Freedom has no meaning in the U.S.A.


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Anonymous 21/04/10(Sat)11:24 No. 14731 ID: d44202

>>14718
Asking that question means you're not justified. One decides when it is appropriate to do so.


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Anonymous 21/06/23(Wed)13:58 No. 14775 ID: 35a4bb

>>14401
I don't really get what him being a Freemason has to do with this.
But what you're pointing out about Washington and his crew is true of everyone everywhere. Our philosophy is just our way to justify what we want the world to be like.


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Anonymous 21/07/06(Tue)10:01 No. 14780 ID: aaa15d
14780

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common core meets critical race theory
>>what's the worst that could happen?.jpeg


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Anonymous 21/07/29(Thu)00:40 No. 14784 ID: b2ca62
14784

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>>14775
I think he means that freemasonry is a way to circumvent laws by belonging to a secret society that is only available for initiated members. Winston Churchill was a freemason, just like Franklin Roosevelt.


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Anonymous 21/08/18(Wed)14:54 No. 14790 ID: 747485

>>14784
Damn, Velma has a big ol’ ass.


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Anonymous 21/08/25(Wed)15:25 No. 14796 ID: ea897f

>>14790
All she needs is a pair of D-cups to go with that phat ass.


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Anonymous 21/08/27(Fri)16:28 No. 14798 ID: 54428e

>>14784
Freemasonry is not about freedom, it is about control.


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donnie doomer 21/08/31(Tue)19:33 No. 14800 ID: 8ec8b9
14800

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damn reading this thread is like hearing the final codec call from mgs2, got me asking all kinds of questions
>if what modern America has become is what happens when what we (Americans) call "freedom" is put in place, then what is the point of it? of any of it at all? how could we escape?
>would it be better to live without freedom at all?
and speaking of that final codec call from mgs2
>does the average person lack the qualifications to exercise free will?
and something i keep hearing in my head
>what is the point of freedom? is it all just superficial? in the case it is, what is actually "true and authentic"?

im an American; i love my country, and ive invested time into asking what i can do for my country, so to speak. but this thread is messing with my brain and i want to understand everything i can about what is being discussed here
inb4
>answer my own questions for me
i intend to answer them myself but consider my noob ramblings food for though if you will


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Anonymous 21/09/01(Wed)22:48 No. 14802 ID: 53d284

What does Washington's relation with the Freemasons have to do with anything?


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Anonymous 21/09/06(Mon)08:50 No. 14806 ID: 09cd0f

>>14570
Good post.


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Anonymous 21/09/06(Mon)14:23 No. 14807 ID: 2b1244

>>14411
People who read Stirner and like his way of thinking are literal neckbeards that suffer from depression and loneliness.


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Anonymous 21/09/07(Tue)14:33 No. 14808 ID: d2b13f

>>14807
Stirner is just another spoiled and bored trust fund child. He leeched off his wealthy wife to publish his first book. Listening to him for advice about individual freedom is like listening to Karl Marx regarding property. Marx, just like Stirner, had to rely on others financially and never endured any hard labour whatsoever during his life, which makes it pretty ironic that Marx tries to speak for the working masses.


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Anonymous 21/09/28(Tue)15:35 No. 14810 ID: 6b0b89
14810

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>>14808


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Anonymous 21/09/30(Thu)19:26 No. 14811 ID: 9524b1

>>14810
Your pic (assumed it either says atheism itself is not what it claims but in fact nihilism or it says nihilism uses atheism to hide behind) doesn't compute; nihilism rejects common values while atheism only rejects the religious beliefs subset of common values but retains the rest of the set, e.g. humanism - and nihilism itself wouldn't even care to use a mask, that would be a contradiction in terms, i.e. no nihilism to begin with.


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Anonymous 21/10/05(Tue)13:08 No. 14812 ID: 78c448

>>14810
That picture is spot on.


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Anonymous 21/10/08(Fri)02:39 No. 14813 ID: d2a5e8

>>14810
THIS IS WHAT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE


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Anonymous 21/10/08(Fri)04:56 No. 14815 ID: 15c902

It's amazing, after all this time the mentally ill postbot not only is still creating posts about how everything but American Evangelicalism is stupid and/or evil, but also continues to hold elaborate conversations with themselves.

I just don't get it. They can't actually think anyone in the real world is going to actually fall for his stupid trick, can they?

Just give it up, your elaborate ruse is long dead. And for the love of god man get the mental help you so obviously need. That hole obviously isn't being filled by religion, otherwise you wouldn't be coming here and spazzing out constantly.


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Anonymous 21/10/08(Fri)14:46 No. 14816 ID: b93a10

>>14812
Fedoras cope so hard it's ridiculous.


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sage sage 21/10/08(Fri)20:44 No. 14817 ID: d2a5e8
14817

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>>14816
Tell us more about how you believe your own life has no intrinsic meaning unless you make-belief a literal magical entity controlling literally every aspect of your life. Imagine self-owning yourself like that.

Even when trying to make a point, religious folk come across as weak-ass bitches.


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Anonymous 21/10/11(Mon)10:10 No. 14818 ID: 020525

>>14815
Take your meds.


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Anonymous 21/10/22(Fri)14:59 No. 14826 ID: b93a10

Freedom is meaningless if it all boils down to pleasure seeking. You are controlled by your urges and not by any necessity or higher truths.


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Anonymous 21/10/23(Sat)00:48 No. 14827 ID: d2a5e8

>>14826
Aren't you literally just going through the motions and thoughts you think your supposed god wants you to, just to get an eternity of pleasure and bliss in the afterlife, and avoiding all others out of fear of eternal punishment?

Don't throw stones in a glass house.


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Anonymous 21/10/25(Mon)10:16 No. 14828 ID: 020525

>>14826
Meaninglessness is why fedoras use drugs and prostitutes.


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Americium!Metal3G/gs 21/10/26(Tue)08:33 No. 14829 ID: d2a5e8

Are you kids still at it?


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Anonymous 21/10/26(Tue)14:23 No. 14830 ID: a3561f

>>14828
This is where you have a kind of inverted Nietzschean Übermensch mindset. You do not care about anything so therefor you justify everything you desire. In Nietzsches case he frequently visited prostitutes and later got caught in a downward spiral into madness.


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