>>16906
>following a client indefinitely at the expense of your own self-care
That's what each therapist determines their comfort with. What boundaries you set is up to you. Some therapists who counsel suicidal clients give those clients their personal phone and say they can call them any time of the day or night, if their deescalation plan isn't working.
Ultimately, my aim is to be 100% attuned to a client for the 50 minutes we are together. I can take care of my needs once I'm off the clock.
>Sounds noble, I'm just wondering if it's actually how it goes and whether or not it's feasible
Much like enlightenment, deep empathy and unconditional positive regard is something to strive for. Its feasibility is always in question. How do we know if we've reached it?
>a person who has not yet given their own self proper care (because they just don't have it inside them) cannot really deeply care about someone else who is actually in much deeper shit and requires even more care, because it's just mechanically impossible
Yeah. A therapist has to get their own unfinished business in check first. That doesn't mean they have to resolve all of their issues, but they should not let that get in the way of their work with clients.
>Having went there for themselves, in their own case etc.
There are near death experiences, paranormal or spiritual experiences, and psychedelic experiences, all of which can produce a similar effect. Even with those, though, they don't lead to a perfect understanding of what a client is going through.
>And if the therapist doesn't deeply care, we'll obviously then there's no warmth and no deep empathy there anyway, even if they may pose as if they are there with them and keeping them company or holding their hand. It would be all just theatrics, even with the best of intentions in the conscious mind of the therapist.
That's why the third pillar is congruence (authenticity), next to empathy and unconditional positive regard. That's in the humanistic school anyway.
>You follow me, it's just, some of these things sound good, but our mechanically impossible.
True, I cannot be you or have a perfect understanding of you. It's mechanically impossible, so why does deep human connection feel so powerful?

>How do we know if we've reached it?
Not something that's going to be simply measured and quantified. And it's not on or off either. But I'm just saying that not every client not every therapist is going to have the ability and the depth for. And that's a problem with let's call them the big clients.

>why does deep human connection feel so powerful?
Well, if it feels that way, it probably is, but my point wasn't that that's impossible, the point was that some people go into deep shit and may not be able to find their way out, but in order to help someone like that, you need to go into equally deep shit within yourself and just like very few go there, so very few clients go there and so very few therapists go there either, I would argue even less. Someone like jung was perhaps an exception.

All I'm saying is that even if you genuinely want to be there for that client there for 55 minutes or whatever, just because you want to, doesn't mean you can, and in particular you cannot when the client is in the kind of shit that you have neither heard of nor ever imagined. And you may not be even capable of imagining it or relating to it, because where you are and where the client is is just so far far apart.

And another point I was making is that if you are comfortable in this moment, you won't go into a very uncomfortable place just because you think you care about the client. Unless you already live in that place. And have already integrated that place. I don't know, I don't want to repeat myself, but yeah, good intentions here are not necessarily enough.

>>16912
>just because you want to, doesn't mean you can
>where you are and where the client is is just so far far apart
Therein lies the question of if someone can ever truly get what you're feeling. There are, for sure, different depths of empathy and levels of connection. But I think it can take different forms, and even low levels can have power. A 5-year-old kid might not know what you're going through and decide to give you a rock he found. A cashier might smile at you and you might feel a connection, even if the only words she said to you were your total.
>And another point I was making is that if you are comfortable in this moment, you won't go into a very uncomfortable place just because you think you care about the client. Unless you already live in that place. And have already integrated that place.
>but yeah, good intentions here are not necessarily enough
How good, or should I say how responsible, are these intentions if the therapist prioritizes their own comfort over the discomfort of entering that space with the client?
Integration is important for sure. You mentioned Jung... shadow work has done a lot for me.

>>16414
Super insane godzilla gods can only tell the truth either because they are dinosaurs.

They don't live in an alternate dimension of death, it's that the moon actually turned blood red, yes it physically changed color it's not just that you went insane and it looked like the stars fell and everything turned black because your eyes are deceived because you are the living dead.

(It's better to get beheaded than choke to death because my dick untwisted)

have you read the documents regarding project stargate? we know some sort of astral projection is possible, therefore a decent argument for a definitive soulful existence can be made and from there several arguments can be made

>>16395
what about computers?

I leave with you a visage I do know well, the seal of my home state.

>>16280
Big if true

>>16280
More like booze

>>16280
More like alcohol abuse

>>16441
Stoicism is just the pretentious male version of "empathy".

Also, glorification of suffering is shallow.
I notice that people who romanticise suffering often are ignorant of real life people going through problems

They think life is exactly like action adventure movies

>>16441
>the stoics put heavy focus on dedication, honest hard work, mastery of pleasure and pain, moderation, balance, stability, honorable conduct etc. So basically anti hedonism and anti sensationalism which attributes to stoicism not being some kind of self help bullshit but a wake up call for pulling your shit together and mental fortitude which is extremely manly because men are natural sources of strength and stability.

In theory
In reality, this is just being human in general.
Women often have to work long hours and still go home to make dinner for the kids

Also, "anti hedonism" is often used to morally harass/guilt trip men for having any form of recreation.

Hi

that we both are and are not
responsible for the creation of our own
Heavens and Hells.
In the same way, a Paradise,
a perpetual series of lives
with very little suffering, could,
in the reality of our basic animal realm,
(without anything extra-natural)
occur.
However, if the inhabitants
actions do not match
the Heavenly state of life,
but rather cause suffering to others—
their perpetual Heaven will deteriorate
by their very own hand.
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Because it is possible to be born,
and because there are so many births,
nothingness is unlikely to follow death,
but rather a potentially perpetual series of lives.
Because of this potentially perpetual series of lives,
the peace of blissful nothingness is unlikely
to follow death, but, rather, more life.
If the peace of non-existence does not follow death,
but more life, then we can only be certain to have peace
in life, in a given incarnation.
Although not true in a pure sense without alternative,
there is a sense in which,
within these many incarnations,
each life will only be composed of present moments.
In this sense, if we fail to take peace in the present
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Jacobs Ladder
Mathematics
Jacob’s Ladder:
Probability of Human Birth /
Buddhist Proverb of the Turtle
There is a classic Buddhist proverb which says that the likelihood of being incarnated in a human birth is
the same as the likelihood of a Turtle sticking its head out of the water and coming up through a log with
a hole in it. Using our equation and working backwards,
Earth’s Oceans have 333.42 million km squared surface area. If a log with half meter hole is on that
surface the probability of coming up in that section is 1/6,668,400,000,000,000
Human population is over 8 billion, meaning for this estimate to be accurate there would need to be
6.6684^11 non human beings for every human or 5.33472^20 non human beings (either total or on Earth
depending on what the proverb refers to).
Estimates for bacteria alone are around 5x10^30 to 13x10^35. Estimates for the number of species on
Earth are between 8.7^6 and 10^12. If the species which have very few and the ones which have a very
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Blue Pill

You know what is the real blue pill male sexuality? Still believing (early childhood circumstances made it seem like that's the obvious conclusion to make, because of how impactful these experiences... these females - were compared to most or just about anything else you may have likely encountered)... still believing that a physical human woman is your connection to the mysterious feminine. Not just your connection to it, but the extent to which it goes. Both of those are highly erroneous assumptions, ESPECIALLY the latter. But it makes for a very special kind of relation towards the sexual romantic interest.. extremely pure. extremely naive, but extremely pure. And the illusion could be maintained for a while. If the girl at least was someone like Zero Two. But of course she isn't gonna be.
Nor should she be. No heart worth it's salt should be submissive to that extent towards anyone. And they are hearts, just like we - even if on average 10x more boring, 10x less true (to their own core(zon)).

It's fine to play the game of "I'll propagate the electric field while you propagate the magnetic field" for a while with someone, but ultimately the only reason we interact with anyone - is because they resonate, their core resonates with ours. The only love is the love of and for - a brother. In my country we even have a saying: "Tikra meilė tik tarp vyrų"...

We sometimes have the illusion that just because a totem is speaking of heights we only encounter in our dreams - there must be then inside the one possessing or wielding that totem - an equal amount of something of the same substance that the totem itself represents. But this isn't necessarily the case (universally NOT the case on this planet). It's not something given out freely or without an actual hero's journey to everyone... A toddler isn't born with what makes a man a monument, an inspiration.
She's only wearing it, for right now, your INSANE dedication and desire to sell your soul is to what the totem represents, not the being who was given the totem to wear and even probably then convinced themselves it was afforded to them out of their own merit... "Oh yeah, I affect men this way because **I** am this awesome - obviously"...

And then folks wonder why niggers like them underage in this cracked and broken down fucking society lol

>>16474
The problem is, men have no self value. They throw it away for women too much.
Are you familiar with LeftyPol? Those guys are auto-misandrists or borderline misogynists, all because they think their pyshcosedual hangup about relationships is true.

>We sometimes have the illusion that just because a totem is speaking of heights we only encounter in our dreams - there must be then inside the one possessing or wielding that totem - an equal amount of something of the same substance that the totem itself represents. But this isn't necessarily the case (universally NOT the case on this planet). It's not something given out freely or without an actual hero's journey to everyone... A toddler isn't born with what makes a man a monument, an inspiration.
She's only wearing it, for right now, your INSANE dedication and desire to sell your soul is to what the totem represents, not the being who was given the totem to wear and even probably then convinced themselves it was afforded to them out of their own merit... "Oh yeah, I affect men this way because **I** am this awesome - obviously"...

And then folks wonder why niggers like them underage in this cracked and broken down fucking society lol

The real problem is that people think age numbers are automatically incremental virtue points.

We have more failed adults than mature stable ones.
Yet, people will believe that brain development is what makes one mature rather than any actual training


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>>16262
Your play reminds me of "the Entertainment" by James O. Incandenza. Quite avant-garde. No rush at all, we have all the time in the world, but just wanted to say there are those still awaiting the third act and or beyond.

I used to re-member my own voice back in the day. Literally while it was happening.

Anyhow, what is your equation good for? Why is it relevant, at least for you personally?

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>>16409
Bro what is this jargle? The limit of delta-t as it approaches 0 on 1? What is big gamma? What is delta? Pic related is literally you.

This is because modern society is consumer centric and the modern philosophy of individualism exists to justify our economy based off mass rpdpuction and consumerism. The idea of idnvidiuality and finding yourself is mostly linked to finding what you like to consume, developing a personal brand, etc.

Modern adults are somewhat infantilized. There is no expectation of responsibility, but IMO what many miss is that responsibility is what makes you feel satisfied in adulthood.

So basically because of our economic structure, people are incentivized to stay in a perpetual adolescence.


If you want a clearer explanation im basing my opinion off of century of the self by Adam Curtis and liquid modernity by Zygmunt Bauman.

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>>14985
>>14985
>adolescence is artificial
This is completely accurate, your instincts are right. Adolescence was invented in the 20th century to keep kids in school longer.
https://archive.org/details/TheParadoxOfExtendedChildhood-JohnTaylorGatto


Our modern society is literally structured around large corporations supported by swathes of borderline slave workers.

IMO without this education system we would follow our is tints more and learn the actual necessary skills of survival in the school of life. We wou have decentralized support networks where as we are currently at the opposite extreme of atomized individuals reliant on corporations for employment or government financial support. Humans naturally learn what is necessary to survive and naturally have creativity and ingenuity, but these kinds of independent people are not good consumers nor are they obedient workers.

We are all captive to this system and thus more or less children to the state, our new Mom.

>>16391
There have been a lot of works that talk about it, but it's not talked about a lot.
People would rather talk about "muh woke" or "muh red pill".
Also:
>There is no expectation of responsibility, but IMO what many miss is that responsibility is what makes you feel satisfied in adulthood.

Wrong. Responsibility is expected.
But, the definition of responsibility is almost always reduced to procreation.

People think that child-rearing is the only form of responsibility. And they cannot even do that properly.



>>16393
Adolescence was created in the eighteenth century. But it was universalised by the twentieth century.
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