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thomas hobbes Anonymous 20/02/06(Thu)14:34 No. 14396 ID: 039ce5 [Reply]
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hey guys, history BA student here, just watching a lecture on hobbes, wondering why more people didn't embrace his idea of focusing more upon government and the right of the citizen as a response to this shitty world throughout history? would love to hear your opinions.


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Anonymous 20/02/06(Thu)18:43 No. 14399 ID: 9f02ee

>>14396
Because his ideas were more the product of witnessing the toxicity of politics, in the run up to, and the rhetoric of, the English civil war. His ideas have to be seen in that context. He wasnt merely publishing a political tract, he was nailing his colours to the mast, so to speak. He was simply stating what he thought the new politics should be about, and by writing it down was also creating a way to explain himself in a court of law if his side failed to win and incase he was prosecuted.
He produced conflicting political positions regarding whether the people consent to be ruled by a monarchy or not. In other words, whether, or not, simply allowing a king to rule implies consent.
His ideas were stale after the civil war and in fact I believe he went overseas to escape possible prosecution during the Civil war. I have always thought Hobbes ideas were merely written to justify his support of the monarchy and to provide a way of arguing his case if Cromwell had wanted to put him on trial
After the civil war his ideas were just old fashioned, debate had moved on


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Anonymous 20/02/06(Thu)18:48 No. 14400 ID: 9f02ee

>>14399
Forgot to add that, even though his writings regarding his love of the monarchy were largely forgotten, it is still the case that he wrote both in defence of the monarch and then when cromwell appeared to be winning Hobbes wrote his political tracts regarding the rights of the ordinary man


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Anonymous 22/01/17(Mon)00:02 No. 14889 ID: 182caf
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You can keep delving this line of thought. To me it all ends into a lethal shoot-out against the IRS.




Invent/create to commune with God Anonymous 19/10/03(Thu)16:26 No. 14198 ID: 5d874a [Reply]
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So recently, I have been replaying Wolfenstein: the New Order. Within the game, there is the ancient secret mystical society of Da'at Yichud.

It's regarding them I wanted to ask a question. Within the game, their practices are based on pure reason and are described as a way of understanding God through knowledge and natural law. They invent, create and discover as a method of communing with God.

I was wondering if there is any IRL religion/philosophy that's similar to that of the Da'at Yichud?


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Anonymous 20/05/01(Fri)17:27 No. 14476 ID: aef41d

>>14273
>I'm not wrong!
>I'm a flat-earther
Pick one, retard.


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Anonymous 22/01/17(Mon)00:00 No. 14887 ID: 182caf

>>14198
This remembers me about Babel's tower.


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Anonymous 22/01/17(Mon)00:00 No. 14888 ID: 182caf

>>14198
This remembers me about Babel's tower.




A Quote From HP Lovecraft. Anonymous 20/07/14(Tue)21:45 No. 14571 ID: 8bb3c7 [Reply]
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Lovecraft makes reference to a social phenomenon noticed in much less poetic terms by Nietzsche in his work "The Mad Man" several decades prior.
The phenomenon is in broad terms what some would call "The Death of God" or, perhaps more literally the discovery of the origins of man as a biological organism shaped through the whims of nature without great interference from a creator at any given point.
It was Lovecraft's assertion (as well as Nietzsche interestingly) that the ensuing conclusions of such knowledge would either force man into emotional reasertions of such superstitions as he had been originally disposed to (IE Fascism, Fundamentalism, Theocracy) or the complete and utter abandonment of all values including self preservation towards an end of ultimate insanity and destruction (IE Communism, Anarchism, Nihilism).
It is between these two conclusions that the vast majority of the 20th was fought.
And while they may SEEM to be the only conclusions given the data i believe there is a third option.
IE the Understanding of Man as biological organism and the objective and inherent purpose that entails.
This has been realized (albeit imperfectly) in the form of National Socialism which, while only briefly attempted in Germany, can and should create an objective morality around which human beings can orient their lives.
All things from sex, to murder to breathing can be understood to be objectively good or bad in so far as they either help or hinder the procreation of ones genes as their objectively and undeniably evolutionary creatures in the material world with the objective and express purpose to pass on as much of their genetic material as possible.
This is thus the next step in the philosophical journey of western man and that which will give us objective meaning and an objectively true morality to organize our societies on the basis of.


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Anonymous 20/10/29(Thu)22:30 No. 14617 ID: aa1b38

>>14589
So you wrote that long a wall of text just to drive the same threadbare nihilistic point home?


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Anonymous 20/10/30(Fri)03:16 No. 14620 ID: 7cb4c3

>>14589
Value can be natural, value can be universal even. Without assigning value, the term itself implies a superior function.


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Anonymous 22/01/16(Sun)23:54 No. 14885 ID: 182caf

>>14573
You don't understand: the realization of God's tenets as a law is a burden, not a alleviation.

If you do delve into the eldritch, it doesn't leave you away just like that. NO matter how much pretty your morals and objectioves for mankind may be.




Just thought of this lol shademocker12 21/12/31(Fri)23:33 No. 14877 ID: b414be [Reply]

Yo, I'm a normal retard and I just thought of something I think is cool. I wrote it down. Here it is.


"Humans have free will, and are simultaneously determined. This determination is outside of their perception, which is why they have free will. The proof for why we are determined is in the fact that every reasonable or tangible thing requires a reason to exist. This text file would not exist if I had not typed it. Human beings themselves as well as their physical and mental states and thus decisions would not exist either without reasons.

Despite this determination, the human race in each individual experience is ignorant of it. This is why we have free will. It is not an illusion. It is real to us, and the reason for why it is real is not something we can describe. But just because we can't describe it doesn't make it not real. We know it is real on the basis that we can perceive it. It does not need to be described.

We have the choice to embody a wide selection of dualistic things. Good or evil, truth or falsehood, Half truth or half truth. Any mix of things can be embodied by a human, but all of these things are dualistic, including mixes of things like half truths.



The world is sick.


Humans can either be perfect or imperfect. More precisely, the components of a human being are fundamentally the following. Morality, Health, and Purity. People can be good or evil, unhealthy or healthy, or pure or impure. If someone is good, healthy, and pure, then they are perfect. Most children are this way. If someone is deficient in any one of these categories, they are imperfect.
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Anonymous 21/12/03(Fri)15:49 No. 14864 ID: d1a90b [Reply]
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You start any idea of by presenting why its important.
I don't know how I could possibly justify how important this Idea you are about to read is.
I have to contain myself from not writing profanity over my lack of words for how imperative it is for society as a whole that this idea be understood by its leaders.

Its better to be a loud retard, than a quiet genius, this idea will present itself brash, in a hurry, profane as it is profound.

The short version:
Memes are a mind virus, a parasite upon their host, they control your motivation, what you want, and makes you want to serve its replication rather than the other way around as was its original function.

The virus.
A virus used to be ​a phenotypic machine, a product of and or a function of the phenotype, depending on how you look at it.
The machines that operate within your body may seem friendly, but they are in fact selfish, your body trust their machines will operate you for your benefit, but this may not always be the case and this very trust by your body will portray a major weakness.
Because the only thing that keeps your machines and functions in line with the interest of the phenotype is the constraints that the phenotype presents.
The phenotype will prove a major handicap to the replicators it hosts, and this handicap is what makes the replicators inside your body seem friendly.
But if the constraints is in any way lifted, by for instance being able to change body, switching to a different phenotype will lift the constraints these replicators would otherwise have.
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Anonymous 21/12/03(Fri)15:58 No. 14865 ID: d1a90b

>>14864
I honestly should proofread this before I click post.
>The motivation that people under the influence of the meme has, gradually goes from spreading themselves, to spreading the gene.
Should be changed to:
The motivations that people under the influence of the meme has, gradually goes from spreading the gene to spreading the meme.


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Anonymous 21/12/04(Sat)01:28 No. 14866 ID: 73b1ac

who cares faget


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Anonymous 21/12/17(Fri)10:30 No. 14870 ID: d841a3

I just wanna get fucked in amazon position by my mom




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Youth ≠ Innocence/Idealism Anonymous 21/10/21(Thu)06:00 No. 14821 ID: 05bf3b [Reply]
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I know people will disagree with me, but I'm tired of society treating under-25 as helpless puppies that shouldn't be allowed ANY form of independence.

I hate how whenever a young person makes a mistake or has a flaw, they attribute to youth, yet older people can be flawed and accident-prone and still have their personhood respected.

I especially hate how when it comes to young criminals, they assume that because they're young that they were "indoctrinated/misguided". No they're not. They knew what they were doing.
Especially when it comes to statutory rape. Alot of cases of man-on-girl "rape" are initiated by the minor. These young girls are worldly-ambitious and will do anything to have a taste of riches and adoration. It's only when the money and gifts stop coming that they yell "RAPE!"

Our society punishes young people whom show worldly-awareness and cynicism. Children are being forced into positivity. Any child who likes dark/edgy humor or isn't into the whole happy-go-lucky overtness that children are assumed to have are seen as defective.

This idea of youth as innocence/idealism is moral passive-agression from adults.
It's why adolescence was invented, why helicopter parenting and zero-tolerance rules are allowed to smother kids to death.

Then adults have the nerve to wonder why the newer generations are supposedly "declining"?

I'm sorry, but the social-legal invention of Childhood-as-Eden was a recent development from the 19th century that was realized in the 1940s.
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Anonymous 21/11/29(Mon)07:11 No. 14848 ID: a0ae1e

>>14838>lol you JUSS mad bcuz mommy won't let you play Xbox after nine!

You don't get it don't you?


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Anonymous 21/11/29(Mon)13:44 No. 14849 ID: 15c902

I see a pedo trying to justify statutory rape


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Anonymous 21/11/29(Mon)21:23 No. 14850 ID: eb5b27

>>14849
How does talking about the moral/social inequality against youth translate into pedophilia?




Anonymous 21/10/21(Thu)20:31 No. 14824 ID: 15744d [Reply]
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How long do I have to study philosophy before I can start speaking/writing like this?


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Anonymous 21/10/22(Fri)04:22 No. 14825 ID: d2a5e8

There's nothing stopping you from being a pretentious twat right now. You just need to take the first step.


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Anonymous 21/11/19(Fri)00:43 No. 14844 ID: 90d962

If you want to sound smart study English Writing.




Egoist God Anonymous 21/08/23(Mon)04:54 No. 14793 ID: 619747 [Reply]
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Imagine God is an egoist. After all, if man is modeled after God, and man is inherently self-interested, it would make sense for God to be so too. Why would humanity matter to God? What use would man serve to God? If God doesn't care about us, are we essentially godless?


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Anonymous 21/08/31(Tue)09:46 No. 14799 ID: 041363

god for me is a guy in lab suit looking into a telescope, hes probably an ordinary guy in "god land", and the same for his god infinatly


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Anonymous 21/10/21(Thu)20:16 No. 14823 ID: a5b5d8

>>14793
Wait, what if God also believes in a God above him?





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