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RMS "Approves" GRSecurity GPL violation, says "may" be Anonymous 23/09/06(Wed)13:15 No. 18687 ID: 5947a7

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>From: Richard Stallman
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>Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 08:59:56 PM EDT
>Subject: Re: Could you please sue GRSecurity.
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> > RMS: please. You sued Cisco.
> > Yet this is allowed? (they violate the copyright on your GCC, in addition to the Linux Kernel)
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>It is not clear that they are violating the copyright on GCC. It
>looks like what they are doing may be lawful.
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>We have nothing legally to do with Linux, the kernel.
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>Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
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(my response: )
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>They are distributing non-separable derivative works to GCC under a no-redistribution agreement.
>Which is an additional restriction forbidden by the license you granted to them of your Copyrighted work (infact of your own Authorship aswell).
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>>may be lawful
>See the word you used: may
>Anything may be lawful before a case of first impression is brought.
>Please bring one.
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>Those patches and plugins they distribute cannot be used with anything other than GCC
>They are infact non-seperable derivative works. You have standing and reason to sue.
>Please do so.
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>PLEASE.
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Anonymous 23/09/06(Wed)13:47 No. 18688 ID: 5947a7

And, Yes I am a lawyer.
Yes GRSecurity is contravening the "u can't put any additional restrictions not mentioned in the text of this license" clause of the GPL; vs both the Linux Kernel and the GCC "plugins" they distribute subject to their(GRSecurity's) "no redistribution" clause (which has been effective: the source has not leaked: GRSecurity has made it's patches to the linux kernel and GCC proprietary)

The GCC "plugins" are non-separable derivative works, just as their linux-kernel patches are non-separable derivative works. They only work regarding the parent work.

Don't believe me: read the real player case then. Go on. Read it. If you even make some 3rd party program that messes with the look of the other program you can be violating the copyright on the other program. Go read the case. There are others but when I tell you people you just say "DURR WHY NOT JUST DISTRIBUTe A DiFF and GeT aRoUnD the GpL thaT wAy"

Why won't RMS sue? Because he has women lawyers surrounding him who don't want to do shit. That's actually their job: to dissuade RMS etc from taking any Copyright action and upsetting the "GPL-as-effectivly-BSD-Licensed" status-quoe that emerged.

The only courageous one was Bruce Perens who fought abit of the good fight.
Note: ANY of these federal copyright lawsuits would cost probably half-a-million or more for the Copyright owner to prosecute.
RMS's foundation doesn't want to do it.
GPL rots in it's grave.

Anonymous 23/09/22(Fri)16:27 No. 18690 ID: be6f8f

I have no idea about the details, but I do know one thing: the GPL is cancer that needs to go away. If companies are starting to test the waters then let them. If the FSF doesn't want to pursue legal action then let them. Hopefully people will stop taking the GPL seriously. I'll dance on its conceptual grave the day that happens.

And yeah, obviously the FSF has nothing to do with the Linux Foundation.

Anonymous 23/10/20(Fri)10:07 No. 18691 ID: ae5046

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>>18688
>Why won't RMS sue? Because he has women lawyers surrounding him who don't want to do shit. That's actually their job: to dissuade RMS etc from taking any Copyright action and upsetting the "GPL-as-effectivly-BSD-Licensed" status-quoe that emerged.
Good!

>>18690
>I have no idea about the details, but I do know one thing: the GPL is cancer that needs to go away. If companies are starting to test the waters then let them. If the FSF doesn't want to pursue legal action then let them. Hopefully people will stop taking the GPL seriously. I'll dance on its conceptual grave the day that happens.
Me too. Picrel (for both of my replies).

Thing is that Stallman is like oblivious of hardware manufacturers. Raspberry Pi and Audrino are nice hobbies. But then there's non-computers such as synths. Korg's Montron and Monotribe are moddable. Those who mod their own synths are probably the least insufferable people there is. BUT, if you allow for modding that voids the warranty - you will sell more hardware. Basic tools to actually do the modding. And kits to replace it when someone was a huge faggot and ran a soldering iron trough a mainboard.

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