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Anonymous ## Mod ## 11/10/26(Wed)10:01 No. 3905 ID: 4c1a8e [Reply] Stickied

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For growing and shit or whatever I present to you:


Put in whatever resources that fit in here, whether it's from wikipedia, youtube, some university, or where ever. Just remember to keep it within the board's guidelines and rules.
Use it or lose it, faggots.

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Anonymous 15/07/21(Tue)20:27 No. 12250 ID: 1e9d00

American Nihilist Underground Society
"Nihilism, Futurist Traditionalism and Conservationism"

I have found this to be a great positive influence on my life, not just philosophically/abstractly or in practical life matters, but also in the other things the site introduced me to. Got me into Nietzsche, Burroughs, and some pretty awesome metal bands I'd probably never have had heard of.

Anonymous ## Mod ## 12/02/02(Thu)05:26 No. 5920 ID: 4fb7fa [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts] Stickied

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This thread is for discussion of the validity of religion(s) and arguments for and against the existence of god/gods.

Any other new posts about this subject will be deleted, or locked and referred to this one.

New threads about religious concepts that play inside their own ruleset are allowed, and we kindly ask that you refrain from turning those well meaning threads into arguments about religion as a whole.

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Anonymous 17/11/08(Wed)19:35 No. 13272 ID: 2eccf1

I understand how you could do that

READ THIS BEFORE POSTING YOU PILE OF FAGGOTS Anonymous ## Mod ## 11/09/09(Fri)04:51 No. 2371 ID: 175f07 [Reply] Locked Stickied

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We interrupt your scheduled bickering for this important announcement: Understanding /phi/

  • What this board is:
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    • It is not /b/, /x/, or /rnb/.
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Repeat offenders will be banned!

Anonymous ## Mod ## 11/12/04(Sun)05:06 No. 4980 ID: 4c1a8e

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Anonymous 16/12/24(Sat)23:39 No. 12763 ID: 0f36a6 [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]

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Why are atheists so obsessed with aliens and other conspiracy theories? There is literally no credible evidence for their existence. Is it because they are immature manchildren?


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Anonymous 17/12/14(Thu)05:02 No. 13372 ID: d60c6c


You still need to provide evidence for your claim. A rock crevice isn't really convincing and hardly scientific.

Anonymous 17/12/14(Thu)07:52 No. 13373 ID: 3a3089

I hope our future alien overlords deem your genetic line unworthy of preservation.

Anonymous 17/12/14(Thu)12:01 No. 13376 ID: 57f992

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That reminds me of pic related. Nothing particularly alien about it. Just a worm shaped rock.

Anonymous 17/02/17(Fri)01:00 No. 12819 ID: f7426b [Reply]

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Why does Ayn Rand get so much criticism? I've only read The Fountainhead from her but from what I gather objectivism seems like it makes sense. It's kind of like this rational self interest that's similar to Nietzsche's philosiphy

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Anonymous 17/04/12(Wed)09:07 No. 12892 ID: 51e6eb

She is in temporary heaven right now, thinking: Boy I made a mistake.

Anonymous 17/11/24(Fri)01:21 No. 13317 ID: 7c7e69

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I think that Ms. Rand was an untalented but important author, but that isn't the source of the bulk of criticism against her philosophies.

Ultimately, Ayn receives the most criticism because she was arguably one of the most influential, and is arguably the most identifiable of feminist icons.

Speaking to the content of her works, Ayn confronted systemic inequalities and prejudices. To the period which she influenced, she was in stark contrast to established cultural norms. Specifically, Rand was the most vocal and plainly worded champion of who she saw as the "oppressed", which wasn't completely incorrect, but was severely overstated. It wasn't uncommon that themes and statements reiterated that men were directly responsible for the lack of success of women.

Living between 1905 and 1982, in Yankistan, was perhaps spanning a uniquely volatile time period, and a volatility that Ms. Rand bolstered and never shied from.

The women of the Second World War effort, for instance, had found a sense of capability and a measure of esteem from the homeland struggle. Ayn didn't inspire the middle and lower class women of that era to improved standards of living, as would have been the most valuable achievement she would have hoped for.

This is of course, to say nothing of the religious, political, industrial, maternal, medical, pedagogical, and other predictable opponents she found (and created).

In short, Ayn Rand was both the reason for the first wave of feminism, and the necessity for the second.

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Anonymous 17/11/25(Sat)12:18 No. 13320 ID: 979e29

Ayn Rand gets criticism not so much for what she wrote, but how she behaved and what she said. She was generally a very cold woman who valued money over friendship. Most famously, no one cried at her sparsely attended funeral. A six foot tall funeral arrangement in the shape of a dollar sign was present. She valued wealth over friends and family, which is a seriously fucked up mindset.

The bigger problem though is Libertarians, and what they've done in her name. Ayn Rand hated Libertarians when she was alive, and not just a little dislike, full on intense what the fuck are you morons doing in my name dislike. Ayn Rand can't really be held responsible for their childlike view of the world and yet it's lumped on her shoulders since its current form wouldn't exist without her.

Anonymous 17/11/13(Mon)23:36 No. 13307 ID: ea535a [Reply]

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No single person in significance in all history is noteworthy enough. I'm fucking done. I hate you and I never thought I would hate anyone.

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Anonymous 17/11/19(Sun)08:28 No. 13312 ID: f44f00

I hope your species dies in the flood.

Anonymous 17/11/22(Wed)03:13 No. 13314 ID: 9f22fd

>No single person in significance in all history is noteworthy

lol someone better tell Oxford to update their thesaurus

Anonymous 17/11/23(Thu)04:04 No. 13315 ID: 68c3a8


you came from Tumblr?

Anonymous 16/03/09(Wed)08:23 No. 12458 ID: 3ee603 [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]

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Did Darwin answer the question of what the meaning of life is?

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Anonymous 17/12/15(Fri)15:12 No. 13378 ID: b2d00d

>Nobody has actually measured and objectively proven the definite speed of light
>evolution can't be proven by comparing human DNA to ape DNA
>there's no evidence of life in space because never seen a living thing from another planet

I get it. You don't accept anything you can't demonstrate with your own two hands and see with your own two eyes. It's a kind of certainty only the Amish cultivate as a virtue--have you considered becoming Amish? You can join, but you'd probably have to give up the internet. I think it'd be good for you; learn to work with your hands and whatnot.

Getting back to my point; I do get it. You won't admit anything that is in any degree uncertain as a truth. Right, absolute truth is the only truth... I get it.

Anonymous 17/12/15(Fri)19:57 No. 13379 ID: d60c6c


All of the dating methods available today have surprisingly huge age results and they also tend to be exaggerated. All of the million year old fossils aren't really millions of years old.

Anonymous 17/12/15(Fri)22:38 No. 13380 ID: a870df

Not just that, he could learn how to build a barn in a day.

Does anyone deserve anything? Anonymous 17/10/31(Tue)23:41 No. 13255 ID: a24704 [Reply]

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Do you think people inherently deserve things just for existing?

What I believe:
That you exist doesn't mean I have to buy you a cake or do anything else for you. A favour is a privilege not a right.

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Anonymous 17/11/16(Thu)12:23 No. 13310 ID: bec9a0

No. Nothing. Not rights, not food, not anything.

I'm lucky enough my ancestors worked hard to have their descendants born into a world of prosperity, and I'm not saying I've done anything to deserve it, but I won't cheapen their legacy by wasting the fruit of their efforts. Lots of other people are born into shit, because their people have put up with living in shit for generations. You have to fight for what you want, and what you want for those who come after you.

Anonymous 17/11/26(Sun)22:52 No. 13325 ID: 891895

Well they deserve respect and generosity, as they are fellow human beings, but more then material stuff, some need guidance, a way to improve themselves I guess.

Anonymous 17/12/03(Sun)09:27 No. 13334 ID: 27723a

>respect and generosity
>as they are fellow human beings

Anonymous 17/02/05(Sun)05:14 No. 12812 ID: 78bebb [Reply]

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Have you taken the UG Pill?

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Anonymous 16/08/31(Wed)03:45 No. 12662 ID: 1cc955 [Reply]

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About free will.

Are you reading this text voluntarily? My personal guess is, that many will instinctively answer with yes. In German the adjective „voluntarily“ is translated to „freiwillig“, which means „with free will“ or more literal „free willy“.
Bad jokes aside, the definition of doing something voluntarily, is taking action according to your own free will.
Now why I am focusing on this is, because I want to explore what it actually means to do something voluntarily, along the axis of determinism and free will.

Let’s assume you answered yes to the question of reading this text voluntarily.
And let’s assume our brains do function deterministically.
That would mean, you just had an illusion about having a free will.
The illusion, that you did have a choice, not to read this text this far. Some unknown law, which we try to approximate in the natural sciences, is entirely responsible for what you just did, including the feeling of doing it voluntarily.
It also means, that if you were able to go back in time, every time you did do so, the world and the universe would develop exactly the way they have always been destined to. Including you, reading this text, over and over again. Like a clockwork turning back and forth.
Consciously experiencing a movie that doesn’t feel like a movie but real.
Being aware of this fact also means, that one of the characteristics of this deterministic system is, that it can understand itself.
Let’s have a look at it understanding itself.
If the voluntary guy exists in this deterministic system, his thoughts are part of this system and his conscious experience of having acted voluntarily describes the system in the same way, as an experience of not having done so, would.
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Anonymous 17/10/03(Tue)19:39 No. 13207 ID: 418d7a

Read How Emotions Are Made by Lisa Barrett Feldman
We're bias machines. It's like writing data to a computer, only instead of erasing it just doesn't record all the information correctly. We have a certain amount of will, in choosing where to direct our attention and thoughts. If you continue a line of thinking, it's basically like telling yourself that this line of thinking is okay. This is why people get depressed, they tell themselves they are shit for years and then they get surprised when their own brain starts believing them.
If people were to view their brain as a dog, I think they would have a much better idea of how to handle themselves. If you don't understand this information or don't have knowledge it exists, then you're pretty much a philosophical zombie.
You're making choices, but you're unaware of the level of control that you actually have, in that case.
As people understand these concepts on a greater scale, then you can have more free will. It's not like you have total free will or zero free will, from my understanding of the science your conscious mind is about a pea-size compared to the size of the subconscious. Over time, if you make consistent attempts to change you have much greater control over your entire life, so in the moment you probably have the least control and over the duration of your entire life you have the most free will.
However, that's only if you are trying to do something. Now, if you don't even want to do anything from the start, then I would think you're definitely fucked. Because you haven't even given yourself any options. I see this among imageboards a lot, the posters seem myopic in their worldview. Perhaps, hopefully, it's just because they are young.

Anonymous 17/10/21(Sat)07:56 No. 13234 ID: 851467

Personally I subscribe to Stefan Molymeme's compatibilist definition of free will: roughly, the ability to compare your perception of reality to ideal standards and to make choices based on those comparisons.

I believe that the universe is deterministic and that humans are wired to make normative evaluations or in other words value based judgements. We have no choice in the matter because we evolved that way.

I also believe that no set of values is, in a non-trivial fashion, universally shared and that there is no rational basis on which to compare these values as any standard you use for comparison will also have to be preferable according to another standard ad infinitum.

Yet a lot of interesting and useful discussion based on these normatives is littered with concepts based what could be termed a religious concept of free will; such as voluntary vs involuntary, personal responsibility, agency, morality and ethics.

This definition allows one to discuss these concepts using the language that developed around them without cognitive dissonance, magical thinking or altering the concepts in a fundamental way that would impede understanding in their common use.

Anonymous 17/10/31(Tue)23:30 No. 13254 ID: a24704


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